What is Perfection? Is it Relative to the Observer?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of perfection and whether it is a relative notion dependent on the observer. Participants explore various definitions and implications of perfection, touching on philosophical, linguistic, and experiential aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that perfection is an arbitrary value that varies based on individual perspectives and desires.
  • One participant challenges the idea of perfection being relative by arguing that achieving perfection is difficult, if not impossible, due to inherent losses in all events, referencing the laws of thermodynamics.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that perfection can be defined against universal standards, such as achieving a perfect score in an academic context, but acknowledges that absolute perfection in knowledge or communication is unattainable.
  • One participant introduces a more subjective interpretation of perfection, describing it as a feeling of joy or achievement associated with certain experiences or people.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of perfection, with some arguing for its relativity and others asserting that certain universal standards exist. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various frameworks for understanding perfection, including subjective experiences, universal standards, and philosophical implications, but do not reach a consensus on the definitions or implications of these frameworks.

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What is perfection? Is it not something that a person finds desirable or ideal in all aspects? If so, wouldn't it be logical to assume that perfection is an arbitrary value that is relative to the observer?
 
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And, if I am free to use the word "duck" for what you choose to designate as a "tree", then we see that "duck" has an arbitrary reference relative to the user.

What was your point again?
 
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What is perfection? Is it not something that a person finds desirable or ideal in all aspects? If so, wouldn't it be logical to assume that perfection is an arbitrary value that is relative to the observer?

i don't think so; perfection can't is hard to achieve if not impossible. we all knewthat all events that took place in the universe done always with losses. law of thermodynamics can attest that.
 
how about 0, or void

it is the absense of adaptation, or anything perceived imperfect
 
I would think that the best way to define perfection would be in relation to universal standards. A perfect score would be a 100%. However, if you received 102% for extra credit, it would still be perfection based on the universal standards of getting all the answers correct that can affect you negatively.
Thinking of what the person stated with the duck and tree example, language is used as a universal standard so that we can communicate effectively with each other. Although language is a universal standard of communication for a society, there is no way to actually achieve perfection in communication because there may not be a word in a given language to describe something completely as a person experiences it. There can only be perfection against the universal standard of language, but not in communication itself. Likewise, there can only be perfection in the universal standard of 100% of points in a course. There is no way to have absolute perfection in knowledge of a subject area. How do I know that? There is no universal standard on what knowledge is. hahaha
If a person chooses to disregard a universal standard as not being relevant to their life, then that just means that perfection related to that standard is not important to the individual, but the perfection still exists regardless.
 
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Well, from a none scientific point of view, I would say perfection is something that gived you a giddy feeling to be around, like someone you like, to you it can seem perfect to be around them. Or it could also be a feeling of achievement in some cases. Kind of a lame way to describe it but I like it.
 

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