What is the Amplitude of a Particle? Understanding Photon Waves and Displacement

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The discussion revolves around the concept of amplitude in relation to photons and particles, exploring both quantum and classical perspectives. Participants examine how amplitude is defined and understood in the context of wave functions and electromagnetic waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the amplitude of a photon corresponds to its displacement from a mean position at a given time.
  • Another participant explains that in quantum mechanics, the amplitude of a wave representing a particle relates to the probability density of finding that particle at a specific location, using the wave function.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the classical interpretation of amplitude.
  • It is noted that the wave function in quantum mechanics is not truly oscillatory like classical wave equations, despite being referred to as a wave equation.
  • One participant states that in classical electromagnetism, the amplitude of an electromagnetic wave is defined as the magnitude of the electric field.
  • Another participant emphasizes that classical mechanics is not applicable to single particles and is designed for large collections of particles, suggesting limitations in classical interpretations.
  • It is pointed out that classical physics does not incorporate the concept of photons or the wave-particle duality of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of amplitude in classical versus quantum contexts, with no consensus reached on how these concepts relate to each other.

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Participants highlight limitations in classical physics when applied to quantum phenomena, noting the challenges in reconciling classical and quantum descriptions of particles and waves.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, classical physics, or the interplay between wave and particle theories in physics.

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If a photon can be graphically demonstrated as a wave with amplitude x, what does the amplitude correspond to on a particle? Is it, it's displacement from its mean position at a given time?
 
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In quantum mechanics, the amplitude (at some location) of the wave that represents a particle corresponds to the probability of finding the particle at or near that location. More specifically,

P(x) = \Psi^*(x) \Psi(x)

where \Psi is the wave function, which is generally complex, and P is the probability density.
 
Ok, on the quantum side that makes sense. So what about the classical?
 
You need to know that the 'wave function' is not truly oscillatory like for example y=sin(x).

The wave function JT refers to is the solution of Schrödinger's 'wave' equation, which is not really a wave equation at all it is called that because it is similar to the true wave equation which has an oscillatory solution y=sin(x).
 
Classically, the amplitude of an EM wave is the magnitude of the E-field (by convention).
 
Simon Malzard said:
Ok, on the quantum side that makes sense. So what about the classical?

Classical Mechanics is designed to work with only a large number of particles. It does not apply to a small number of particles or a single particle.

When developing classical physics we worked with objects like apples, large metal objects, people, etc. All things which are a large collection of particles. Even in QM the expectation values (which describes classical results) do not give accurate information about a small number of particles.
 
Simon Malzard said:
Ok, on the quantum side that makes sense. So what about the classical?

Classical physics doesn't contain the notion of "photons." In classical physics, light is purely a electromagnetic wave phenomenon. Nor does it contain the notion of particles having wave-like behavior.
 

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