What is the Best Shape for a Hose Clamp to Provide Predictable Friction Loss?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the optimal shape for a hose clamp that can achieve consistent and predictable friction loss in the range of 1 to 2 psi. The context includes considerations of hose diameter (3 or 4 inches) and water flow rates (10 to 50 gpm), with a focus on fluid mechanics principles to ensure the clamp can be finely adjusted to meet specific friction loss targets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is exploring the use of a "venturi" shape versus a sudden contraction/sudden expansion shape for the hose clamp to achieve predictable flow characteristics.
  • Another participant suggests that an orifice plate could be a viable option, noting the distinction between "recoverable" and "unrecoverable" pressure drops.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for the device to be non-invasive to the hose, indicating a constraint on the design options.
  • Another participant provides a resource for online calculations related to gradual contractions, sharing specific parameters that resulted in a 1.5 psi pressure drop for a given flow rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have raised various ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on the best shape for the hose clamp. Multiple competing views and approaches remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted limitations in their fluid mechanics knowledge and the need for precise relationships in flow characteristics, which may affect the reliability of their suggestions.

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I am researching the best shape for a hose clamp to provide a consistent and predictable friction loss in the 1 to 2 psi range. The hose diameter will be either 3 or 4 inches and the water flow will typically be in the range of 10 to 50 gpm. The idea is that the hose clamp can be finely adjusted to a set-point to provide the desired friction loss.

I've considered a "venturi" shape versus a sudden contraction/sudden expansion shape to provide flow characteristics that are predictable but most references that I have look at it from the standpoint of accounting for "minor losses" rather than defining a precise relationship.

My fluid mechanics skills are quite dusty at present and so I would like to see if anyone has any suggestions.

Thanks much.
 
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An orifice plate may be a good choice. There is a "recoverable" and "unrecoverable" pressure drop. There are many calculators available and most orifice plate manufacturers could also tell these two values.
 
Thank you for the excellent suggestion. I do, however, need for the device to be non-invasive to the hose.
 
OK, I see what you are trying to do.

Go to this website

http://pressure-drop.com/

Use the online calculation. Enter a "gradual contraction." I put in 30 gpm, and a 3" X 1.25" contraction with 45 deg angle, provides a 1.5 psi pressure drop.
 
Thanks edgepflow! - that is a great reference.
 

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