What is the capacity of the capacitor?

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The problem involves a parallel plate capacitor filled with two dielectric layers of different thicknesses. The original poster seeks to determine the capacitor's capacity given the area of the plates and the thickness of the dielectrics, but lacks information about the relative permittivity of the materials involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the lack of information regarding the relative permittivity of the dielectric materials and suggest creating variable names for them. There is also a question about the effective thickness of the dielectrics and how it relates to their actual thicknesses.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the dielectrics as capacitors in series, but no consensus has been reached on the final expression for the capacitor's capacity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that numerical values for the thicknesses and area are not provided, indicating that a symbolic result is expected. The absence of relative permittivity values is also highlighted as a constraint in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


The space between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor is filled consecutively with two dielectric layers of thickness d1 and d2 respectively.If A is the area of each plate,what is the capacity of the capacitor?


Homework Equations


C=\frac{εA}{d}
(for parallel plate capacitor with air as dielectric)

The Attempt at a Solution


i honestly don't know how to attempt this question...can anyone give me some clues...
 
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tsgkl said:

Homework Statement


The space between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor is filled consecutively with two dielectric layers of thickness d1 and d2 respectively.If A is the area of each plate,what is the capacity of the capacitor?


Homework Equations


C=\frac{εA}{d}
(for parallel plate capacitor with air as dielectric)

The Attempt at a Solution


i honestly don't know how to attempt this question...can anyone give me some clues...
Were you given the relative permittivity for each dielectric material?

Hint: Dielectric layers which parallel the plates of the capacitor will effectively behave like capacitors in their own right, carving the original space into a set of capacitors in series. The surface boundaries between materials are the locations of the "plates" of these capacitors. Dielectric surfaces in contact with the conductive plates of the capacitor are considered to be a single plate of one such capacitor (consider the plate to be the electrical contact of that sub-capacitor).
 
nope, relative permittivity for each material ain't given...
 
tsgkl said:
nope, relative permittivity for each material ain't given...

Then you'll have to create your own variable names for them. No big deal since numerical values for the thicknesses and area weren't given either, so a symbolic result is expected.
 
just tell me one thing is effective thickness of dielectric 1/ε the actual thickness?
 
tsgkl said:
just tell me one thing is effective thickness of dielectric 1/ε the actual thickness?

d1 and d2 are the actual thicknesses. I suppose one could consider the effective thicknesses to be ##\frac{1}{ε_1}d_1## and ##\frac{1}{ε_2}d_3##, where ε1 and ε2 are the relative permittivities. Although it is more usual to see the effective permittivity specified as εεo and the distances left alone.
 
as you said the effective thickness to be d11 and d22 so the answer should be εA/d11+d22
 
tsgkl said:
as you said the effective thickness to be d11 and d22 so the answer should be εA/d11+d22

You should use parentheses in your expressions to disambiguate the order of operations. Even so, your expression doesn't have the right form.

How do capacitors in series add?
 

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