What Is the Cardinality of Nested Power Sets?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the cardinality of nested power sets, specifically focusing on the null set and its power sets. Participants are exploring the implications of set theory concepts, particularly the definitions and properties of null sets and power sets.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the cardinality of various power sets, starting from the null set and moving to nested power sets. Questions arise regarding the correctness of their answers and the reasoning behind the cardinality of power sets.

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of initial answers regarding the cardinality of the power sets. Others are exploring the implications of cardinality being a power of 2 and are questioning how to apply this to their specific examples. There is an ongoing exploration of the elements of the power sets and their cardinalities.

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Participants are discussing the definitions and properties of sets without providing complete solutions. There is a mention of combinatorial reasoning and induction as methods to prove properties related to power sets, but no definitive conclusions are drawn.

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Homework Statement



I'm having a little bit of trouble grasping the idea of null sets and power sets. Please check my answers to the following questions:

Determine the cardinality:

a. P(\oslash)
b. P(P(\oslash))
c. P(P(P(\oslash)))

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The Attempt at a Solution



a. since the set in question is the null set, the answer is {\oslash} - cardinality 1
b. since the set in question is the set that contains the null set, the answer is {\oslash,{\oslash}} - cardinality 2
c. Now this is one that I'm starting to have trouble with. I can simplify the problem to P({\oslash,{\oslash}}). My answer is: {\oslash,{\oslash},{\oslash,{\oslash}}} - cardinality 3.

Is that right, or am I missing something?
 
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Hi battousai! :smile:

battousai said:

Homework Statement



I'm having a little bit of trouble grasping the idea of null sets and power sets. Please check my answers to the following questions:

Determine the cardinality:

a. P(\oslash)
b. P(P(\oslash))
c. P(P(P(\oslash)))


Homework Equations



n/a

The Attempt at a Solution



a. since the set in question is the null set, the answer is {\oslash} - cardinality 1
b. since the set in question is the set that contains the null set, the answer is {\oslash,{\oslash}} - cardinality 2

Correct!

c. Now this is one that I'm starting to have trouble with. I can simplify the problem to P({\oslash,{\oslash}}). My answer is: {\oslash,{\oslash},{\oslash,{\oslash}}} - cardinality 3.

If I have difficulty in seeing things, I introduce some variables. Let's do that here. Put A=\emptyset,~~B=\{\emptyset\}[/tex].<br /> Then the question asks you to find P({A,B}), can you do that?<br /> <br /> Hint: to see immediately if an answer is right or wrong: the cardinality of a power set is <b>always</b> a power of 2. In particular, if X has n elements, then |P(X)|=2<sup>n</sup>.
 
micromass said:
Hi battousai! :smile:
Correct!
If I have difficulty in seeing things, I introduce some variables. Let's do that here. Put A=\emptyset,~~B=\{\emptyset\}[/tex].<br /> Then the question asks you to find P({A,B}), can you do that?
<br /> <br /> Hm, I get cardinality 4 when I do it with A and B. Now when we go back to the original elements, what would be the elements of the power set?<br /> <br /> \oslash , {\oslash}, {{\oslash}}, {\oslash,{\oslash}}<br /> <br /> Is that answer correct now?<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="micromass" data-source="post: 3348534" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> micromass said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hint: to see immediately if an answer is right or wrong: the cardinality of a power set is <b>always</b> a power of 2. In particular, if X has n elements, then |P(X)|=2<sup>n</sup>. </div> </div> </blockquote><br /> That&#039;s neat! How does one prove that?
 
battousai said:
Hm, I get cardinality 4 when I do it with A and B. Now when we go back to the original elements, what would be the elements of the power set?

\oslash , {\oslash}, {{\oslash}}, {\oslash,{\oslash}}

Is that answer correct now?

That's good!

That's neat! How does one prove that?

Hmm, I hope you know something of combinatorics. You can form an arbitrary subset of X by choosing for each element of X whether that element belongs to X or not. For example, the subset {0} of {0,1} is formed by deciding that 0 is in the subset and that 1 is not.
So, for each element, we have 2 choices: in the subset or not. So in total, we have 2*2*2*...*2=2n possibilities! So that's the size of the power set!
 
I don't know much about combinatorics, but that explanation makes sense. Thanks!
 
You can also prove that if |A|= n, then |P(A)|= 2n by induction on n. If A is empty, |A|= 0, then P(A) contains only the empty set, as you showed, so |P(A)|= 1= 20.

If A is not empty, let x be a specific member of A. There exist two kinds of subsets of A- those that contain x and those that do not. A, with x removed, has n-1 members so there are 2n-1 subsets of A that do not contain x. But every subset of A that does contain x is just a subset of A that does not contain x union {x}. That is, there are also 2n-1 subsets of A that do contain x. The total of all subsets of A is 2n-1+ 2n-1= 2(2n-1)= 2n.
 

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