What is the change in gravitational potential energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in gravitational potential energy for a satellite transitioning from Earth's surface to a circular orbit at an altitude of 2500 km. Participants are exploring the implications of using a constant gravitational acceleration versus a variable one in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the change in potential energy using the formula mgh, expressing concern about the accuracy of using a constant value of g. Other participants suggest considering the work done and the need for integrals to account for the changing gravitational force.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing different methods to calculate the potential energy change, with some providing insights into the need for integrals when dealing with variable forces. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the percent error calculation, but no consensus has been reached on the final method or outcome.

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There is a focus on understanding the differences between using a constant gravitational force and a variable one, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the original calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and setups used in the problem.

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Homework Statement


What is the change in gravitational potential energy of a 6200 kg satellite that lifts off from Earth's surface into a circular orbit of altitude 2500 km? What percent error is introduced by assuming a constant value of g and calculating the change in gravitational potential energy from m⋅g⋅Δh?

Homework Equations


E_{p}=mgh
F_{g}=G((m_{1}m_{2})/(r^{2}))

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, the change in potential energy is simply mgh = 6200kg*9.81m/s/s*2500000m = 152055000000 which is the change in p energy.. then the rest i am lost.. i know there would be an error because gravity is not 9.81 m/s as you go on, it gets less and less as you leave earth..

thanks for your time
 
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You need to calculate the work done to get to the potential energy for the two models - work is the integral of the force needed along the path you take. The constant g integral is easy since the force is assumed constant, leading to the familiar mgh. Since the force in the second model depends on R you need to do the definite integral between the starting point and the end point...
 
SEngstrom said:
You need to calculate the work done to get to the potential energy for the two models - work is the integral of the force needed along the path you take. The constant g integral is easy since the force is assumed constant, leading to the familiar mgh. Since the force in the second model depends on R you need to do the definite integral between the starting point and the end point...

We're not doing work yet, just momentum and energy.

Thanks
 
I Like Pi said:
We're not doing work yet, just momentum and energy.

Thanks

work done for taking the satellite from R1 to R2 = difference in potential energy between these two locations.
 
SEngstrom said:
work done for taking the satellite from R1 to R2 = difference in potential energy between these two locations.

yes, but for the first part i just use mgh? to find the change in p energy, mg(hf-hi), hi = 0

then for the percent error, i don't get what you mean...
 
I Like Pi said:
yes, but for the first part i just use mgh?

right, because the integral from R1 to R2 over mg is simply mg*(R2-R1)
 
SEngstrom said:
right, because the integral from R1 to R2 over mg is simply mg*(R2-R1)

okay thank you, therefore i get 152055000000 J, which equals 1.5*10^11 J

now what do i do for the second part? which equation would i use to find the actual value? cause i would then just find what the percent error is by dividing one by the other and subtracting that by 100 percent?

Thanks for your help!
 
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The potential is the work done when taking the satellite from radius R1 to R2=R1+2500km. Putting them on a similar footing the work is
(1) \int_{R_1}^{R_2} dr G m_1 m_2 / R_1^2
(2) \int_{R_1}^{R_2} dr G m_1 m_2 / r^2
Where m_1 is the mass of earth, m_2 the mass of the satellite, G the gravitational constant, R_1 an average radius of the earth.

Are you able to do these integrals?
 

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