What is the characteristic equation for a first order linear PDE?

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The discussion revolves around the characteristic equation for a first order linear partial differential equation (PDE) of the form a(x,y) ux + b(x,y) uy = 0, and extends to a more general form including a term c(x,y) u. Participants explore the derivation of the characteristic equation, the implications of characteristic curves, and the nature of solutions to these equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the characteristic equation can be derived from the PDE, leading to dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y) under the assumption that a(x,y) is not zero.
  • Another participant explains the derivation of dy/dx using implicit differentiation and the chain rule, relating it to the level curves of the solution u(x,y).
  • A later post questions the implications of the more general form of the PDE, asking whether u(x,y) is constant along the characteristic curves defined by F(x,y) = c.
  • Further discussion includes whether the general solution can be expressed as u(x,y) = f(F(x,y)), where f is an arbitrary differentiable function, and the conditions under which this holds.
  • Participants reference external resources for further reading but express difficulty in finding specific answers related to the general case involving the u term.
  • There is a mention of semi-linear equations and the distinction between parametric and implicit forms of characteristic curves, with some participants seeking clarification on these concepts.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and expertise regarding the topic, leading to some disagreement on the implications of the general form of the PDE and the nature of the solutions. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the interpretation of the characteristic curves and the general solution.

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Some participants note limitations in the resources they are referencing, indicating that certain cases of first order linear PDEs involving a u term are not adequately covered. There is also a lack of consensus on the implications of the characteristic curves for the general solution.

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Suppose we have a first order linear PDE of the form:
a(x,y) ux + b(x,y) uy = 0

Then dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y) [assumption: a(x,y) is not zero]

The characteristic equation for the PDE is
b(x,y) dx - a(x,y) dy=0
d[F(x,y)]=0
"F(x,y)=constant" are characteristic curves
Therefore, the general solution to the PDE is u(x,y)=f[F(x,y)] where f is an arbitrary function.
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I don't understand the parts in red.

1) Why would dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y) ? This doesn't seem obvious to me at all...how can we derive (or prove) it?

2) Also, what is the meaning of the equation d[F(x,y)]=0?

Thanks for explaining!
 
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I'm not a PDE expert, but here's my take:

1) Why would dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y) ?

Suppose you have any function f satisfying f(x,y) = C. This defines y implicitly as a function of x and you can differentiate both sides by the chain rule:

f_x + f_y\ \frac {dy}{dx} = 0

\frac {dy}{dx} = -\frac {f_x}{f_y}

Now if u(x,y) is a solution to your DE, the characteristic curves are the level curves of u, that is, the curves u(x,y) = C. By the analysis above these level curves define y as a function of x and you would have:

\frac{dy}{dx} = -\frac {u_x}{u_y}

If you solve your equation a(x,y) ux + b(x,y) uy = 0 for this expression you get:

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac {b(x,y)}{a(x,y)}

This gives an ordinary differential equation for the characteristic curves. Then if F(x,y) = C is the solution to this DE giving the characteristic curves, you proceed to get your solution

u(x,y)=f[F(x,y)] where f is an arbitrary function.
 
Thank you very much! You are of great help!
 
What if we were to consider the more general first order linear PDE of the form
a(x,y) ux + b(x,y) uy + c(x,y) u= 0 ?

Consider the ODE dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y).
Suppose that the general solution to the above ODE is the curves given by F(x,y)=c where c is an arbitrary constant.
A) In this case, does it imply that u(x,y) along these curves are constant along each curve?
B) Does it also imply that the general solution is u(x,y) = f(F(x,y)), where f is an arbitrary differentiable funciton of one variable? Why or why not?

Thanks for explaining! :)
 
I browsed the above link, I can see the cases of quasilinear, and linear without the "u" term, but it doesn't seem to be dealing with the case of first order linear PDE involving a "u" term anywhere, so I can't find my answer there...

Hopefully, someone else may answer these questions, and I would really appreciate.

kingwinner said:
What if we were to consider the more general first order linear PDE of the form
a(x,y) ux + b(x,y) uy + c(x,y) u= 0 ?

Consider the ODE dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y).
Suppose that the general solution to the above ODE is the curves given by F(x,y)=c where c is an arbitrary constant.
A) In this case, does it imply that u(x,y) along these curves are constant along each curve?
B) Does it also imply that the general solution is u(x,y) = f(F(x,y)), where f is an arbitrary differentiable funciton of one variable? Why or why not?

Thanks for explaining! :)
 
kingwinner said:
I browsed the above link, I can see the cases of quasilinear, and linear without the "u" term, but it doesn't seem to be dealing with the case of first order linear PDE involving a "u" term anywhere, so I can't find my answer there...

Hopefully, someone else may answer these questions, and I would really appreciate.

Look at section 2.2, the semi-linear case. It includes the case where c(x,y,u) doesn't have any x or y in it: c(x,y,u) = u.
 
LCKurtz said:
Look at section 2.2, the semi-linear case. It includes the case where c(x,y,u) doesn't have any x or y in it: c(x,y,u) = u.

Now but that's actually non-linear, and also they aren't solving dy/dx = b(x,y) / a(x,y).
Thanks, I know you're trying to help, but unfortunately I can't find my answer there.
 
Above, you asked:

"What if we were to consider the more general first order linear PDE of the form
a(x,y) ux + b(x,y) uy + c(x,y) u= 0 ?"

Then I posted:
"Look at section 2.2, the semi-linear case. It includes the case where c(x,y,u) doesn't have any x or y in it: c(x,y,u) = u."

The semi-linear equation to which they refer is

a(x,y)ux + b(x,y)uy= c(x,y,u)

and if you let c(x,y,u) = -c(x,y)u you get exactly the equation you asked about, and yes, it is linear. The difference in their approach and what you are doing is they are expressing the characteristic curves in parametric form instead of implicit form. If you don't like the parametric approach, surely the book you are studying must have an appropriate explanation.
 

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