What is the concept of monotone limits?

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The discussion centers around the concept of monotone limits, particularly in the context of the monotonic convergence theorem as understood from a probability theory perspective. Participants seek clarification on the definitions and implications of monotone limits in relation to non-decreasing and non-increasing sequences of sets.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the concept of monotone limits and requests assistance in understanding it.
  • Another participant provides a definition of monotone limits, explaining the union of non-decreasing sets and the intersection of non-increasing sets, noting the potential for confusion due to the terminology used in the book.
  • A later reply offers supplementary information about the source material, indicating it is a graduate-level book on probability.
  • Some participants argue that referring to both types of limits as "THE monotone limit" is a linguistic error, suggesting alternative terminology to distinguish between the increasing and decreasing limits.

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Participants generally agree that the terminology used in the book is misleading, as it conflates two distinct concepts. However, there is no consensus on the appropriate terminology to use instead.

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There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of the terms used, as well as the specific context in which the book presents these concepts. The discussion does not resolve the potential confusion arising from the terminology.

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Hi all I would like to understand this concept please help.
Summary: Hi all I would like to understand this concept please help.

I understand the montonic convergence theorem this is from a probability theory book and I am confused on understanding it. Please help me understand it.

Thank you very much,Jon.
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You leave a bit of guesswork here: what is ##\mathcal{C}##, is the assumed order given by inclusion, and what is the purpose of these limits?

Anyway, the most likely interpretation is a definition of the term monotone limit.

Given a non-decreasing flag of subsets ##A_1\subseteq A_2 \subseteq \ldots A_n \subseteq \ldots \,##, i.e. the set ##A_{n+1}## which follows ##A_n## is either equal to ##A_n## or properly includes ##A_n##, then the union of all is called (defined) the monotone limit of ##\{\,A_n\,:\,n\in \mathbb{N}\,\}##.
Notation: ##\lim_{n\to \infty}A_n = \bigcup_{n=1}^\infty A_n##

Given a non-increasing flag of subsets ##A_1\supseteq A_2 \supseteq \ldots A_n \supseteq \ldots \,##, i.e. the set ##A_{n+1}## which follows ##A_n## is either equal to ##A_n## or properly included in ##A_n##, then the intersection of all is called (defined) the monotone limit of ##\{\,A_n\,:\,n\in \mathbb{N}\,\}##.
Notation: ##\lim_{n\to \infty}A_n = \bigcap_{n=1}^\infty A_n##

I'm not sure what the book actually says, but to call both by the same name can be confusing. In both cases, it is the set at the "end" of the flags, the set which either includes all ##A_n##, resp. the set that is included in all ##A_n##.
 
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ah than you very much that helpt me understood it, here are some supplimentary info in case you want it. It's a book called a probability path intended for grad students.

Thanks,
Jon
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I agree. If the book calls both these "THE monotone limit", this is a linguistic error, since there are two of them.

The first one should be called "The monotone increasing limit", and the second "The monotone decreasing limit", or something like that.
 
Erland said:
I agree. If the book calls both these "THE monotone limit", this is a linguistic error, since there are two of them.

The first one should be called "The monotone increasing limit", and the second "The monotone decreasing limit", or something like that.
thankfully he called it monotone limits
 

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