What is the Connection Between Consciousness and Quantum Physics?

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The discussion explores the relationship between consciousness and quantum physics, particularly focusing on the nature of ideas, thoughts, and their materiality. Participants examine whether learning or sharing thoughts has physical implications, the biochemical processes involved in thought generation, and the philosophical implications of the mind-body problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the material composition of ideas and whether sharing thoughts adds to physical mass.
  • One participant suggests that learning alters chemical bonds in the brain but does not increase mass.
  • Another participant notes that while neural activity involves mass changes, these are negligible and do not significantly affect overall mass.
  • Some argue that ideas cannot be fully explained by their physical structure, drawing analogies to art and creativity.
  • A participant references Aristotle's dualism, suggesting that ideas may exist in a separate realm from neurochemistry.
  • There is a proposal that quantum mechanics might play a role in thought processes, potentially allowing for free will.
  • Several participants discuss the mind-body problem, questioning how a material brain can produce immaterial thoughts.
  • Some assert there is no evidence that brains create thoughts independently, proposing that something immaterial might use the brain to express thoughts.
  • Contrasting views exist regarding the brain's role in thought generation, with some asserting compelling evidence for the brain's responsibility for thoughts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of ideas and the relationship between consciousness and the brain. There is no consensus on whether thoughts are purely material, immaterial, or a combination of both, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence for some claims, the dependence on philosophical interpretations, and the unresolved nature of the mind-body problem.

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RingoKid said:
so do you believe that Calabi-Yau manifolds of 6 extra hidden and very small dimensions that only touch in one physical dimension can be a repository of consciousness as they are omnipresent in 4d spacetime ?

It perfectly brings into line consciousness and quantum physics. We tap into a dimension of consciousness and project it onto the universe.

shades of Bohm's holographic universe

Please forgive the late night tongue-in-cheek response to your post. As for Calabi-Yau and Bohm's Holographic Universe theory I honestly can say I had never heard of either of them. Motivated by your response I did some research on both in order to give a reply that will not be totally stupid.

As for Calabi-Yau I visited a few sites hoping to get a good overview of the subject but every page was chock full of symbols and math equations and stuff that in general makes my brain hurt.

But David Bohm, the holographic universe, the infinite order and all his other ideas were a great read. He has a level of insight that has led him to a lot of the same conclusions as I have.

He still shares the same fundamentally incorrect belief as to the relationship shared between Life, consciousness and the universe that most scientists hold, but his use of the hologram analogy to illustrate the universe as a wholeness is excellent.

His suggestion that when the hologram is reduced to separate and smaller pieces they still retain all the information needed to produce a whole image is right on target.

I believe the are two major scientifically accepted conclusions as to the universe and the forces that governs its existence that are seriously flawed.

The general belief that there are four fundamental forces that shape the universe is wrong. There is at least one and most likely two greater forces that the four are contained by.

Also wrong is the general assumption that the universe was created and life eventually evolved within it. I am convinced that life is the source of the universe. The universe in a sense is a great stew of matter and Life is the pot that it is stewing in.

Back with more later.
 

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