What is the controversy surrounding Comcast and antitrust laws?

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The discussion revolves around the controversy surrounding Comcast and antitrust laws, particularly in relation to net neutrality and the implications for consumers and technology companies. Participants explore the potential consequences of Comcast's market power and the political landscape affecting regulatory actions.

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  • Some participants express concern that the current definitions of antitrust laws hinder effective regulation of companies like Comcast, leading to negative outcomes for consumers.
  • There are claims that the death of net neutrality could significantly empower Comcast, even without a merger, affecting startups and innovation.
  • Participants discuss the political implications of net neutrality, with references to Ted Cruz's statements and the varying public opinions on his influence.
  • One participant argues that the issue of net neutrality is complex and cannot be simplified to a binary stance against Comcast or Ted Cruz, emphasizing the importance of Quality of Service (QoS) in internet traffic management.
  • Another participant highlights the need for careful consideration of which services should be prioritized in network management, indicating that the debate involves nuanced questions beyond mere neutrality.

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Participants express a range of views on net neutrality and Comcast's role, with no clear consensus emerging. Some participants agree on the complexity of the issue, while others focus on political implications and consumer impacts.

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Discussions include references to the evolving nature of media ownership and the influence of lobbyists on technology policy, indicating a lack of clarity on the motivations behind regulatory decisions.

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Here’s How Comcast Plans to Rule American Cable and Internet
http://www.wired.com/business/2014/03/comcast-opinion/

Once upon a time, government agencies might have been interested in such things. But with the narrow definitions of anti-trust hobbling the Justice Department, the Federal Communications Commission having given away (so far) its authority over broadband and Congress more in the thrall of large companies, it’s almost a certainty that consumers will get the short end of the stick, again.
 
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I officially was notified last week in a letter thy sent, I'm currently with Time Warner. :(
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Here’s How Comcast Plans to Rule American Cable and Internet
http://www.wired.com/business/2014/03/comcast-opinion/

The death of net neutrality is going to place a significant amount of power in their hands even if they don't merge.

It's already hitting some startups:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527006/talk-of-an-internet-fast-lane-is-already-hurting-some-startups/

And I don't look for congress to step in any time soon. The only expert advice they get is from lobbyists. They killed the program that gave them expert advice on technology in 1995.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ely-to-remain-clueless-about-technology.shtml

So one might as well talk to a tree when it comes to problems in ultra strong IP, anti-trust, privacy, and a large number of other issues in technology. Everyone is an expert I guess =/
 
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SixNein said:
Who cares what Ted Cruz has to say?
Apparently the millions of people that support him
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Apparently the millions of people that support him

I think it says a lot about the state of our politics when people like him are taken seriously.
 
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dlgoff said:
I'm sure glad I did a search and found this thread as I was about to ask ... WT... this was about.

My above post from MIT contradicts the claims being made by republicans.
 
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SixNein said:
My above post from MIT contradicts the claims being made by republicans.
Exactly. :)
 
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SixNein said:
I'm very happy to see the President take a stance on the issue. The tech community did a lot to get the man elected.

Well, I for one would hope that the President does not use his office to reward his supporters and punish his enemies.

As far as the argument "Ted Cruz is against it so I must be for it", well, personally, I don't want to let Ted Cruz do my thinking for me.

While "neutrality" sounds like a good thing, and Comcast is (IMHO rightfully) one of the most hated companies in America, this is a much more complex issue than can be decided by "Comcast and Ted Cruz don't like it, and in any event, who doesn't like neutrality?" Indeed, many networks try very hard not to be neutral - the term is Quality of Service (QoS). If I am streaming video (or more importantly, audio), I need the packet to arrive within a very small window - measured in milliseconds. If I am downloading a new release of Linux, I have more flexibility and can better tolerate delayed packets. If you don't like the carrier imposing a surcharge on streaming video, perhaps you would agree to a discount for a lower QoS.

Of course, there are many variations of this, and people have different opinions on what the best policy is. But "net neutrality" is more a slogan than an actual policy.
 
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SixNein said:
My above post from MIT contradicts the claims being made by republicans.
The Tech Review no longer has a direct connection to MIT, despite the name. TR is published now by an independent media company, though MIT owns the company.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Well, I for one would hope that the President does not use his office to reward his supporters and punish his enemies.

As far as the argument "Ted Cruz is against it so I must be for it", well, personally, I don't want to let Ted Cruz do my thinking for me.

While "neutrality" sounds like a good thing, and Comcast is (IMHO rightfully) one of the most hated companies in America, this is a much more complex issue than can be decided by "Comcast and Ted Cruz don't like it, and in any event, who doesn't like neutrality?" Indeed, many networks try very hard not to be neutral - the term is Quality of Service (QoS). If I am streaming video (or more importantly, audio), I need the packet to arrive within a very small window - measured in milliseconds. If I am downloading a new release of Linux, I have more flexibility and can better tolerate delayed packets. If you don't like the carrier imposing a surcharge on streaming video, perhaps you would agree to a discount for a lower QoS.

Of course, there are many variations of this, and people have different opinions on what the best policy is. But "net neutrality" is more a slogan than an actual policy.

I don't think anyone is making the argument that an operator shouldn't be able to prioritize streaming over email traffic. We are talking about the ability to adjust priorities based on non-technical reasons. What streaming services should we give priority to and which ones should we deny? Those kinds of questions are what the debate is all about.
 

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