What is the Copeland-Erdős Number and Why is it Considered Normal?

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The discussion revolves around the Copeland-Erdős number, which is constructed by concatenating prime numbers. Participants are exploring its classification as a normal number, which implies that every finite sequence of digits appears with equal frequency in its decimal expansion.

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  • Participants are questioning how to prove the normality of the Copeland-Erdős number and discussing the implications of its definition. Some are referencing Dirichlet's theorem as a potential approach to demonstrate the existence of prime numbers within certain digit sequences.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various participants expressing uncertainty about the proof of normality. Some have suggested using Dirichlet's theorem to support their reasoning, while others acknowledge the complexity of the task and seek simpler methods.

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There are references to external resources and discussions about the challenges of proving normality, indicating that the topic may require advanced mathematical understanding. Additionally, there are mentions of related concepts such as Benford's Law and the distribution of digits in numbers.

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Show that every finite sequence of digits is contained within the Copeland-Erdős number
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Show that every finite sequence of digits is contained within the Copeland-Erdős number
The Copeland-Erdős number is formed by writing prime numbers consecutively, one after the other. So ##0,2357111315171923...## is Copeland-Erdős number.

According to my net research; Copeland-Erdős number is a normal number. A number being normal means that any sequence of n digits in its decimal fraction part appears with asymptotically equal frequency. So that expression (definition of normal numbers) enough to say that "every finite sequence of digits is contained within the Copeland-Erdős number" ?
 
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I think so, but then how do you prove that it is normal? Have you just read that somewhere? How would you go about proving it?
 
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mjc123 said:
I think so, but then how do you prove that it is normal? Have you just read that somewhere? How would you go about proving it?
 
And yet I saw this guy, IIRC Numberphile, use the (pairs of) digits in the Decimal Expansion of ##\pi## to illustrate Benford's Law ( "Real-world" Distribution of digits 0-9 in numbers ). Edit: Assuming normality of ##\pi## , we should expect a Uniform distribution, not a Benford.
 
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littlemathquark said:
We need an easy way.
If there were one, Erdös would have found it for sure.
 
fresh_42 said:
If there were one, Erdös would have found it for sure.
It seems possible to solve this by using Dirichlet's theorem.
 
According to Dirichlet's theorem, in an arithmetic sequence of the form a+n⋅d where gcd⁡(a,d)=1 there are infinitely many prime numbers. Now, consider any sequence of digits. To ensure the condition gcd⁡(a,d)=1append the digit 1to the end of this sequence and define the resulting number as a. Let k be the number of digits in this number, and set the common difference of the sequence as d=10^k. By Dirichlet's theorem, this sequence will contain at least one prime number, which, by definition, must appear as a substring of the Copeland–Erdős number.
For example, consider the number 684. By appending 1, we obtain a=6841, and by setting d=10^k we construct the sequence 6841,16841,26841,…By Dirichlet's theorem, this sequence must contain at least one prime.
 
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littlemathquark said:
According to Dirichlet's theorem, in an arithmetic sequence of the form a+n⋅d where gcd⁡(a,d)=1 there are infinitely many prime numbers. Now, consider any sequence of digits. To ensure the condition gcd⁡(a,d)=1append the digit 1to the end of this sequence and define the resulting number as a. Let k be the number of digits in this number, and set the common difference of the sequence as d=10^k. By Dirichlet's theorem, this sequence will contain at least one prime number, which, by definition, must appear as a substring of the Copeland–Erdős number.
For example, consider the number 684. By appending 1, we obtain a=6841, and by setting d=10^k we construct the sequence 6841,16841,26841,…By Dirichlet's theorem, this sequence must contain at least one prime.
It must contain infinitely-many primes according to Dirichlet's theorem. Edit: But I get your point, you just need to find one.
 
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WWGD said:
It must contain infinitely-many primes according to Dirichlet's theorem. Edit: But I get your point, you just need to find one.
6841 must be prime.
 

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