What is the correct upper limit to evaluate the given limit?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression sqrt(x^2+1) - x as x approaches positive infinity. Participants explore various methods for solving the limit, including algebraic manipulation and the application of the sandwich theorem.

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  • One participant struggles with the limit and mentions using L'Hôpital's rule, which leads to an indeterminate form.
  • Another participant suggests bounding the function f(x) = sqrt(x^2 + 1) - x to show that the limit approaches zero as x approaches infinity.
  • A different approach is proposed by multiplying the expression by (sqrt(x^2 + 1) + x)/(sqrt(x^2 + 1) + x), leading to a limit of 0.
  • There is a question about the choice of the upper limit 1/x, with a request for clarification on how it was derived.
  • A participant challenges the assumption that the upper limit was chosen arbitrarily, prompting a discussion on proving the upper limit through contradiction.

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Participants express differing views on the method of finding the upper limit and whether it was chosen arbitrarily. There is no consensus on the best approach to evaluate the limit, and multiple methods are discussed without resolution.

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Some participants rely on specific assumptions about the behavior of the function as x approaches infinity, and there are unresolved questions about the validity of the upper limit used in the bounding argument.

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Hey guys, I have been trying this question for 40 minutes and I can't get the answer.
Evaluate lim as x approaches positive infinity(sqrt(x^2+1)-x).
I tried the La-Hopital's rule, but even then I still get inf/inf. I know there is an algebraic manipulation I need to make, but I keep getting it wrong.
Thanks in advance.
 
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I'd suggest you show that if ##f(x)=\sqrt{x^{2}+1}-x##, then ##0 \leq f(x) \leq \sqrt{x^{2}}+\frac{1}{x}-x## for positive ##x##, and because ##\lim_{x \to \infty}\left(\sqrt{x^{2}}+\frac{1}{x}-x\right)=0##, the limit of ##f(x)## must be zero when ##x## approaches infinity.

You can prove that ##f(x) \leq \sqrt{x^{2}}+\frac{1}{x}-x## by assuming the contrary and deriving a contradiction.
 
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Thanks hilbert2,
I see what you are saying. I also just found another way to do it, ill post it:
Multiplying the expression by (sqrt(x^2+1) + x)/(sqrt(x^2+1)+x) you get lim(1/(sqrt(x^2+1)+x) = 0.
I see that you have used the sandwich theorem, and i suppose that is an easier way to do it. I am confused on how you got your upper limit 1/x, could you please explain how you got that upper limit. Thanks
 
Ah, did you just arbitrarily pick the upper limit which is larger than f(x)?
 
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I am confused on how you got your upper limit 1/x, could you please explain how you got that upper limit. Thanks

Let's suppose the contrary, that ##\sqrt{x^{2}+1}>\sqrt{x^{2}}+\frac{1}{x}##. As we can suppose ##x## is positive, we can square both sides of the inequality to get
##x^{2}+1>x^{2}+2\frac{|x|}{x}+\frac{1}{x^{2}}##. When ##x## is positive, ##\frac{|x|}{x}=1##, and therefore we get ##1>2+\frac{1}{x^{2}}##, which is a contradiction.

You can choose any upper limit that approaches zero when ##x \to \infty##.
 
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