What is the definition for multiplicative inverses in R?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of multiplicative inverses in the context of real numbers, particularly focusing on the implications of defining these inverses through Cauchy sequences. Participants explore the nuances of this definition and its consequences for specific elements like [1/n].

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the teacher's statement regarding the multiplicative inverse of [1/n], finding it counterintuitive.
  • Another participant asserts that every real number has a multiplicative inverse except for 0, referencing the field properties of real numbers.
  • There is a clarification about the notation [x], which some participants note is used to denote the greatest integer less than or equal to x, leading to the conclusion that [1/n] equals 0 for n>1.
  • A participant explains that the definition of multiplicative inverses involves Cauchy sequences, stating that if (an) is not equivalent to 0, then (an)^-1 is defined in terms of another sequence (bn).
  • Another participant elaborates that the equivalence class for [1/n] includes sequences converging to 0, raising a question about the formal definition of multiplicative inverses in terms of Cauchy sequences.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the definition of multiplicative inverses, particularly in relation to the notation [1/n] and its interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definition of multiplicative inverses in the context of Cauchy sequences.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the notation and the definitions of real numbers, particularly in relation to Cauchy sequences and their equivalence classes.

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In class today, my teacher said,

"the definition for multiplicative inverses in the R (real numbers) does not give an inverse for
the real number [1/n] element of R."

What does this mean? It seems counterintuitive, and I can't figure out why it's true.
 
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What is the real number [1/n]? The reals with usual multiplication and adddition form a field, so every real number does have a multiplicative inverse except for 0.
 
[x] is often used to mean the greatest integer in x. Using this notation [1/n]=0 for n>1.
 
mathman said:
[x] is often used to mean the greatest integer in x. Using this notation [1/n]=0 for n>1.

You do have to admit, though, that this is a rather odd way of referring to 0.
 
Oops

I figured it out actually. It has to do specifically with how we defined multiplicative inverses on the real numbers

i.e.

If (an) not equivalent to (0) is a cauchy sequence then (an)^-1 is equal to (bn) where bn = { 1/an when (an) not equal to 0, 1 when (an)=0.

So, if you take the sequence (1/n), in particular, bn = n which is not a cauchy sequence. And because the real numbers are defined as the equivalence classes of cauchy sequences, this inverse does not hold.
 
Okay, so your [1/n] mean "the set of all Cauchy sequences equivalent to the sequence {1/n}". You really should have said that- especially since there are many other ways of defining the real numbers! That equivalence class also includes the sequence {0} consisting of all 0s- in fact it includes every Cauchy sequence that converges to 0. Now, my question is, what is the definition, in terms of Cauchy sequences, for "multiplicative inverses in R"?
 

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