What is the diference between right handed neutrinos And quarks?

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The discussion centers on the differences between right-handed neutrinos and quarks within the context of the Standard Model of particle physics. Participants explore theoretical implications, mass generation mechanisms, and the see-saw mechanism for neutrinos, with a focus on the absence of right-handed neutrinos and its consequences.

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  • One participant questions why right-handed quarks can have mass while right-handed neutrinos cannot, referencing Wikipedia's claim about renormalizability.
  • Another participant clarifies that neutrinos in the Standard Model are massless, whereas quarks can be massive due to the existence of right-handed quarks.
  • It is noted that the Standard Model can be extended to include right-handed neutrinos, which could allow for neutrino mass without the Higgs mechanism.
  • Some participants propose that right-handed neutrinos have no conserved charge, which allows for their mass to be larger and not tied to the electroweak symmetry breaking scale.
  • The see-saw mechanism is discussed as a model that explains the smallness of neutrino masses compared to other fermions, involving heavy right-handed neutrinos and mixing with left-handed neutrinos.
  • Questions arise regarding the implications of neutrino oscillations on the mass of right-handed neutrinos and the need for a mechanism to keep these masses small.
  • A request for references or papers on the extension of the Standard Model to include right-handed neutrinos is made.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of right-handed neutrinos and quarks, particularly regarding mass generation and the see-saw mechanism. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of mass and charge conservation, as well as unresolved aspects of the see-saw mechanism and its implications for neutrino masses.

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In the traditional Standard Model, Why right handed quarks can have mass And there can't be any right handed neutrino? Wikipedia says that it damages renormalizability, but why does that not happen with the corresponding quarks?
In other words, why did you invent the see saw mechanism for massive neutrinos while you have not done that for massive quarks?
Perhaps I did not formulate the question in rigurous words, but I think that you may understand what I'm trying to know?

Thanks in advance for your valuable help
 
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Its seems that you are mixing two things:

1.) neutrinos in the SM vs quarks in the SM

Strictly speaking, neutrinos in the SM are massless while quarks can be massive, because there are no right handed neutrinos while there are right handed quarks.

2.) right handed neutrinos vs right handed quarks

The standard model can be extended to include right handed neutrinos ( a popular extension in order to give neutrinos mass)

The main difference from right handed neutrinos and right handed quarks is that right handed neutrinos have no conserved charge, and therefore can be given mass without the left handed neutrinos and without the higgs mechanism.

Therefore there mass is expected to be much larger since it is not proportional to the electroweak symmetry breaking scale.

the see saw mechanism is based on the fact that
heavy right handed neutrinos+ small masses that mix left and right

produces three very light mass eigenstates ( and three heavy ones)

and used to explain the smallness of neutrino masses compared to other fermions in the SM.

These are of course all models. No one knows for sure the physics behind neutrino masses
 
The main difference from right handed neutrinos and right handed quarks is that right handed neutrinos have no conserved charge, and therefore can be given mass without the left handed neutrinos and without the higgs mechanism.

Therefore there mass is expected to be much larger since it is not proportional to the electroweak symmetry breaking scale.

Ok, few words but very clear. Do you know any paper which describes this trivial extension (I sort of imagine it, but it is better to see it written)

the see saw mechanism is based on the fact that
heavy right handed neutrinos+ small masses that mix left and right

produces three very light mass eigenstates ( and three heavy ones)

Sorry, I didnt get that idea. Are you trying to say that, because of neutrino oscillations the mass of the right handed neutrinos should be small so, as a consequence, there should be a mechanism that makes these masses naturally small? If not, I would appreciate if you can describe it a bit more (or perhaps if you can give me some reference)

Thanks for all!
 

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