What Is the Difference Between Expected Value and Probability?

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The discussion explores the concepts of expected value and probability, particularly in the context of random variables and their interpretations. Participants examine the intuitive meanings of expected value, its relationship to averages, and how it applies to discrete outcomes in probability experiments.

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  • One participant questions the intuitive meaning of expected value, using the example of rolling dice to illustrate confusion about its interpretation in relation to probability.
  • Another participant suggests that expected value can be understood as an average, citing the expected value of a single die throw as 3.5, which cannot be an actual outcome.
  • A different participant raises a question about the meaning of averages in a population, distinguishing between expected value, mode, and central tendency.
  • One participant explains that expected value is a mathematical attribute of a distribution, useful for estimating population parameters and constructing confidence intervals, while also discussing the role of median as an alternative measure.
  • The same participant elaborates on the theoretical implications of using different measures of central tendency, such as mean versus median, and the impact on statistical theory.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of expected value and its relationship to probability. There is no consensus on the intuitive understanding of these concepts, as questions and clarifications continue to arise.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding expected value, including its non-intuitive nature in discrete outcomes and the distinction between different measures of central tendency. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved questions about the implications of these concepts.

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The expected value of a random variable is not necessarily the outcome you should expect. For discrete probability it might not even be a possible outcome for the experiment. So what does the expected value mean intuitively?

I will use and example because it helps me formulate my question:

Say you roll 3 dice; if you get at least one 6 you win, otherwise you loose. Now, the random variable is the number of 6's you get, so the expected value is 1/2. What does that mean? That if I play 10 times I would roll five 6's? In that case; if I play once, should I expect 1/2 of a 6? Doesn't that mean that I have a 50% probability of rolling a 6? But then I know that the probability of winning is less than 50%.

What am I thinking wrong?
 
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Don't get hung up on the word expected. The expected value is just another way of saying average. For example one throw of one die has an expected value of 3.5, which is obviously something you will never get.
 
In that case, what does the average of a population mean intuitively? If it is not the most likely thing to be found in a population (guess that would be the mode, right?), then what is it? The central tendency? How can something be called the central tendency and at the same time not even be a possible outcome?
 
It's a mathematical attribute of a distribution and it's used for both practical and theoretical reasons.

When you want to estimate a population parameter using a sample, you construct an estimator and this has a mean and a variance. There are many results in statistics that say how many classes of estimators behave and what distributions they end up taking and knowing the mean and the variance helps you construct confidence intervals for hypothesis testing.

With regard to your question about 3.5, you need to consider in a discrete population whether you get something being between two values which implies that you will get the average swing between two specific values in your probability space.

Also there is a non-parametric measure called the median which always gives a specific value from the distribution (i.e. an event), but the median is more difficult to work with theoretically (although it may be required depending on how skewed the distribution is amongst other factors).

So to understand what expectation is used, you should consider how the expectation makes a lot of things easier in terms of theoretical results and calculations as opposed to using a mean.

The same sort of thing comes up when considering how to calculate variance: should we just use the absolute differences of values from the mean or the sum of squared differences?

Again when you look at the theory, it seems that using the sum of squares is a much better choice and this choices affects a tonne of statistical theory and all these different results link together when using the sum of squared differences.

If you are interested, try and find some articles on the differences between the mean and median and advantages and disadvantages for each in both a statistical and probabilistic sense.
 

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