What is the divorce rate for academics in the US, Canada, and the Netherlands?

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The discussion revolves around the divorce rates of individuals in academic positions, particularly physicists, in the US, Canada, and the Netherlands. Participants explore various hypotheses and personal observations regarding the relationship between academic careers and marital stability, considering factors such as work-life balance and demographic trends.

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  • Some participants note a lack of comprehensive studies on divorce rates among academics, with one referencing an article that found no statistics on the subject.
  • One participant suggests that physicists may have higher divorce rates than the national average in the US, while others speculate the opposite may be true in Canada and the Netherlands.
  • Another participant shares observations that many scientists neglect relationships due to their focus on work, which could contribute to higher divorce rates.
  • Contrarily, some argue that academic environments are more family-friendly compared to other professions, suggesting that divorce rates among academics might be lower than the national average.
  • Several participants mention that many individuals in academia tend to marry later, which statistically correlates with lower divorce rates.
  • One participant raises the idea that the unique social dynamics within physics departments could influence relationship stability differently than in other academic fields.
  • Another participant speculates that the divorce rate among physicists might be lower than that of academics in general due to demographic factors, such as the male majority in physics and their relationships with partners in more stable professions.
  • Concerns are raised about using historical figures like Einstein and Feynman as evidence for current trends, with one participant cautioning against drawing conclusions from limited examples.

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Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether divorce rates for academics, particularly physicists, are higher or lower than the general population. Multiple competing hypotheses and personal experiences are presented, leaving the discussion unresolved.

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Limitations in the discussion include a lack of empirical data, reliance on anecdotal evidence, and the potential influence of demographic factors on divorce rates that remain unexamined.

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Does anybody know of a study which looks at divorce rates for people with academic jobs?

I looked around briefly and only found an old article in which the author notes that she couldn't find any statistics on the subject.
http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/24feature.html

I was discussing this with some friends and they hypothesized that the divorce rate for physicists with university positions in the US (postdocs and professors) was higher than the national average in the US - however they also hypothesized the inverse was true in Canada and the Netherlands.
 
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to be honest with you, i didn't look at the article. but i have thought about this and talked to my husband about it. from the biographies of scientists (i've read a few about mathematicians and physicists mainly), most of them don't have a relationship or neglect their relationship when they get too wrapped up in their work, when their research and career becomes more important than family. this can happen with any career, though.
 
although if you look at Albert einstein and richard feynman both were divorced at a time when divorce was highly frowned upon, so if that trend holds for physicists today then I'd guess the divorce rate would be dramaticly higher.
 
I'd somewhat doubt that divorce rates for physicists (or any other scientists) in academic positions would be higher than the national average. My experience in academics is that it's far more family-friendly than a lot of other professions. Keep in mind that the national average is pretty high already (something like 40 or 50% last I heard), so when you see a lot of people going through divorces, it may seem like a lot and still not be all that high compared to the general population.
 
Moonbear said:
I'd somewhat doubt that divorce rates for physicists (or any other scientists) in academic positions would be higher than the national average. My experience in academics is that it's far more family-friendly than a lot of other professions. Keep in mind that the national average is pretty high already (something like 40 or 50% last I heard), so when you see a lot of people going through divorces, it may seem like a lot and still not be all that high compared to the general population.

I would even guess that divorce rates would be lower than the national average.

Many people I went to school with postponed getting married until they were done with school, which often wasn't until they were in their late 20s to early 30s. So they tended to be older than the average first-marriage age. Statistically, the younger a couple is when they marry, the higher the likelyhood they will divorce.
 
lisab said:
I would even guess that divorce rates would be lower than the national average.

Many people I went to school with postponed getting married until they were done with school, which often wasn't until they were in their late 20s to early 30s. So they tended to be older than the average first-marriage age. Statistically, the younger a couple is when they marry, the higher the likelyhood they will divorce.

I had the same impression, but since I don't work with physicists, wasn't sure if it would be different than other academic departments...the social dynamics in physics departments sometimes seems more "unique" than other departments.
 
Moonbear said:
I had the same impression, but since I don't work with physicists, wasn't sure if it would be different than other academic departments...the social dynamics in physics departments sometimes seems more "unique" than other departments.

:smile:
 
CPL.Luke said:
although if you look at Albert einstein and richard feynman both were divorced at a time when divorce was highly frowned upon, so if that trend holds for physicists today then I'd guess the divorce rate would be dramaticly higher.

Hmmm, I'd have to say here that "two points do not a straight line maketh", especially since you can use this same argument to speculate that rate at which Nobel prizes are awarded should be dramatically higher today.

Based on my experience in Canada I certainly expect the divorce rate amongst physicists to be lower than the divorce rate in the general population. I would also speculate that the divorce rate amongst physicists would be lower than the divorce rate for academics in general simply because there are so few women - the male majority are more likely to be in relationships with homemakers or women with very portable professional jobs (eg teachers, nurses) - whereas other disciplines with more women might see more relationships with strain related to the woman holding a non-traditional job. (There's anecdotal evidence for this in the salon.com article.)

However, I find that the US differs from Canada in one interesting regard, which is that Americans in grad school seem to be more likely to be married than Canadians in grad school. I'm also acquaintances of two American grad students (one in astronomy and one in philosophy) who are already divorced!
 
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however nobel prizes are limited to a certain number every year unlike divorce.

I wasn't trying to pass it off as an accurate assesment as einstein and feynman weren't exactly normal, and as you pointed out 2 points from over 50 years ago don't exactly make for a good sample size.
 

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