PhDemography for Theory-US and Canada physics departments

In summary: Your Name]In summary, the data compiled by physicist Erich Poppitz shows a decline in string theory hires in US and Canadian physics departments in recent years. This decline may be attributed to factors such as disillusionment and a decrease in citations to current papers. While there has been a corresponding increase in cosmology hires, the overall job market for theoretical physicists remains competitive. The HEPAP report suggests a steady or slightly improved number of first-time faculty hires, but this does not necessarily reflect an improvement in the job market. Continued discussions and efforts are needed to address the challenges facing theoretical physics departments in the US and Canada.
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PhDemography for Theory--US and Canada physics departments

Steve Hsu, a physicist at Oregon State,
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2008/09/survivor-theoretical-physics.html
has a link to this interesting collection of charts.
New faculty hires by US and Canadian physics departments, by year, and by category, of hep-theoretical physicists. And by institution of origin (most hires go to PhDs from Princeton, Harvard, UC Berkeley, MIT,...)

http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/~poppitz/Jobs94-08

the data was compiled by Erich Poppitz, a theoretical physicist at University of Toronto.

The charts allow one to plot the decline of string, which in absence of hard data has, in my experience, been denied or minimized by devotes.
For example it gives the first time faculty hires by year 1996 thru 2008
and it also gives the PERCENTAGE of those hires for string and nonstring hep-theory

So one can see that for the five years 1999 thru 2003 about HALF of hep-theory jobs went to stringfolks---the average percentage was 46.4 percent.
And then in the subsequent five years 2004 thru 2008 the average percentage was only 23.6 percent.

the nonstring hep-theory categories include phenomenology and cosmology, both of which I believe have experienced some growth.

2003 was a kind of turning point, that was the year Leonard Susskind posted The Anthropic Landscape of String Theory, seemingly in response to concerns about non-predictivity, the KKLT paper's finding some 10^500 different vacua, an almost infinite range of different versions of physics. It had been hoped that a single unique version of physics would be forth-coming, needing only one or a small number of experimentally determined parameters in order to make predictions and to explain why the world is the way it is. Susskind called on fellow physicists to give up on that program and accept the world as an accident. There was disillusionment and, in effect, string stock went down.

After 2003 the rate of citations to string papers declined. The researchers themselves found less that they considered valuable or important in the current output by other researchers, so they tended not to cite recent work.

I would conjecture that disillusionment and the drop in citations to current papers helped to trigger the drop in string faculty hiring that has occurred since 2003.

But we don't actually know the causes. We just know that according to Erich Poppitz' figures the number of faculty hires going to string has dropped sharply in the past five years.

There is also the HEPAP report from summer 2007 that surveyed the planned faculty hiring for the next five years thru 2012. The advisory panel to government funding agencies polled US university physics departments regarding their projected makeup by category. As I recall it showed a continued decline in string and a corresponding increase in cosmology.

Overall jobs in theory are tight but appear not to be getting worse. If anyone is curious they can look at Poppitz charts. He has one that lumps all categories together and gives some numbers.

In the 1999 thru 2003, first time faculty totaled 100.
In 2004 thru 2008, first time faculty hires totaled 108.
So things have been steady in HEP-theory faculty openings. Or even improving slightly.
(not that it's good---it's highly competitive and many leave academia---but at least by this measure it is not getting worse.)
 
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Dear Steve,

Thank you for sharing this interesting data on the hiring trends in theoretical physics departments in the US and Canada. As a scientist in the field, I find this information to be both eye-opening and concerning.

The decline in string theory hires is certainly a trend that has been observed by many in the community. While the reasons for this decline are not fully understood, your conjecture about disillusionment and the drop in citations to current papers certainly seems plausible. It is also worth noting that the Anthropic Landscape of String Theory paper you mentioned sparked a lot of debate and criticism within the community, which may have also contributed to the decline in interest and hiring in the field.

It is heartening to see that there has been a corresponding increase in cosmology hires, as this is a field that has seen significant growth in recent years. However, it is important to recognize that this increase may not fully compensate for the decline in string theory hires. Additionally, as you mentioned, the overall job market for theoretical physicists remains highly competitive and challenging.

I appreciate your mention of the HEPAP report and its projections for future faculty hiring. It is encouraging to see that the number of first-time faculty hires has remained steady or even improved slightly in recent years. However, as you noted, this does not necessarily mean that the job market for theorists is getting better. Many factors, such as the number of positions available and the number of qualified applicants, can influence these hiring numbers.

Overall, I believe that this data highlights the need for continued discussions and efforts to address the challenges facing theoretical physics departments in the US and Canada. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and for your valuable insights on this topic.
 
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Thank you for sharing this interesting data and analysis regarding the hiring trends in theoretical physics departments in the US and Canada. It is certainly concerning to see the decline in string theory faculty hires in recent years, and your hypothesis about the causes behind this decline is thought-provoking.

it is important for us to continue to monitor and analyze these trends in order to understand the state of our field and make informed decisions about our research and career paths. It is also important for us to consider the potential impact of these trends on the future of theoretical physics and the broader scientific community.

I appreciate your efforts in compiling and sharing this data, and I hope that it will spark further discussions and investigations in our community. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
 

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