What Is the Epoch Time for the WGS84 Coordinate System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the epoch time for the WGS84 coordinate system, particularly in relation to GPS time and its synchronization with UTC. Participants explore the definitions and implications of epoch time in the context of coordinate systems and GPS technology.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the specific epoch time for the WGS84 coordinate system, noting that their GPS indicates a date of 06/01/1980.
  • Another participant states that there isn't a precise epoch for the WGS84 coordinate system, suggesting that the year 1984 marks when the data was agreed upon, rather than a defined starting point.
  • Some participants mention that while GPS time was synchronized with UTC in 1980, GPS time does not account for leap seconds, leading to a current lag.
  • One participant highlights the need for a definite epoch in astronomical coordinates due to the movement of star positions, contrasting this with the relatively minor changes in Earth's shape affecting WGS84.
  • There is a note that most GPS receivers provide UTC time, and that leap seconds are communicated to satellites as part of their update data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and definition of an epoch for the WGS84 coordinate system, with no consensus reached on whether it is arbitrary or defined. The discussion includes both agreement on the synchronization of GPS and UTC and acknowledgment of the complexities involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of leap seconds on GPS time and the accuracy of measurements over time. The discussion also touches on the differences between astronomical and terrestrial coordinate systems.

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Hello,

I've been searching all over for the epoch time of the WGS84 coord system. A GPS I'm using says its 06/01/1980, but I don't know if starts from 12:00:00 ET. Is there an epoch by definition or is it arbitrary?
 
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There isn't a precise epoch for the coordinate system - the 1984 is just when the data was agreed. There are slight real changes to the values with time, but the real changes come with more accurate measurements.

There is a start epoch to the GPS clock data but that's just a software detail, GPS time doesn't include leap seconds - so GPS and UTC were synced in 1980 but GPS now lags by a number of seconds.
 
Interesting that there isn't a defined epoch, only a synced time. Yes, I believe the lag is 13 seconds.

Thank you very much :)
 
Yes, astronomical coords need a definite epoch because the star positions are moving.
Although the Earth's shape really changed between say Airy 1837 and WGS84 it's insignificant compared to the change in the measurement accuracy.

Just to confuse things further - most GPS receivers do give UTC, the number of leap seconds is sent to the satellites as part of their update data.
 

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