What is the Equation of a Polynomial with Specific Roots and Turning Point?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a polynomial based on specific roots, a y-intercept, and a maximum turning point. The original poster presents a polynomial with a root at x=5, a triple root at x=1, a y-intercept at y=-10, and a maximum turning point at (3,32).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the polynomial equation based on the given conditions, suggesting a form for P(x) and calculating a coefficient. They question the validity of the turning point and the possibility of the polynomial existing under the stated conditions. Other participants explore the implications of the roots and turning points, questioning the accuracy of the graph and the expectations of the exam.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the feasibility of the polynomial existing with the specified characteristics. Some suggest that the conditions may not be compatible, while others reflect on the potential errors in the exam setup. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored regarding the nature of the polynomial.

Contextual Notes

The problem is set within a high school context, with participants noting a history of errors in the exam and the potential for misinterpretation of the graph's details. The original poster expresses concern about the expectations of the exam and the implications for their grading.

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Homework Statement


Given that (visually) there is a polynomial with a root at x=5 and seems like a triple root at x=1. It cuts the y-axis at y=-10 and there is a max turning point at (3,32).

Ok so basically, find the equation of the function P(x) given:
P(0)=-10
P(5)=0
P(1)=0 (triple root, thus cubic shape)
P'(3)=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Judging by the roots of the polynomial, I'm assuming the equation will be of the form:

P(x)=a(x-1)^3(x-5)

When I substitute (0,-10) I get a=-2

Thus, P(x)=-2(x-1)^3(x-5)

I tested the point (3,32) and since it satisfied the equation when I did it in the test, I assumed it was the turning point; but when I graphed it at home, I found that the turning point wasn't at (3,32) but just seemed to pass through that point.

When I take the derivative of P(x)=a(x-1)^3(x-5)
I get P'(x)=4a(x-1)^2(x-4) and so P'(3)=0 only when a=0, but that is obviously not the answer I want for a. Maybe for what I assumed the form of the polynomial P(x) is incorrect? Is it possible to find an equation to satisfy all these criteria?

Honestly, being that this question was only worth 2 marks out of a 75 mark exam that was 90 mins long, I believe it could've just been a parabola that was hand-drawn really badly...

Anyway, thanks for any help or advice on how to approach this.
 
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If the polynomial definitely has those roots and that y-intercept, then it can't have a max at (3,32). Were all of the points (roots, intercept, max) labeled on the test paper, or did you have to estimate them from grid lines??
 
It was a hand-drawn graph that was not to scale and only had those details labelled on the graph. Thus, the max turn was specifically at (3,32) without doubt, there were roots at x=1,5 and possibly triple root at x=1. Also, without doubt there was a y-intercept at y=-10.

I also tested it for a parabola with those roots and y-intercept and again the max turn wouldn't be at that coordinate. Do you suppose they were expecting the student to state that such a polynomial is inexistent? or at least not elementary?
 
Mentallic said:
Do you suppose they were expecting the student to state that such a polynomial is inexistent? or at least not elementary?

I guess the answer to that question would depend on the scope of the course/ personality of the professor. Only you could answer that, but I guess it's remotely possible.

I'm betting it was a mistake. I even tested it for other odd degree root behavior at x = 1 up to the 15th power just in case they were going for that, and none of the polynomials' derivatives had zeros at 3.
 
The max turn was at x=3 for a parabola only, but it was at (3,8) and for any positive integer n such that P(x)=a(x-1)^{2n+1}(x-5) the turning point is 3<x<5, and as n gets large, the turn approaches 5. So searching for any polynomials passed the 3rd power is fruitless, which I just thought I'd put out there, even though you already went to the trouble :smile:

The course is last year at high school and there is a history of teachers making mistakes in the test (and there were even two other spotted errors in the exam), so I'll wait for the results, and hopefully be able to have a plausible reason to argue if I get the answer wrong.

Thanks for your support meiso.
 
Very good point! Thank you for pointing that out. Good luck with the results of your exam.
 
Thanks :smile:

This is the only problem I had in the test, so I'm sure I went well, but hey, the marker always gets me in some screwed up way and I never quite hit that 100%... hehe I'll stop boring you with my life story now :wink:
 

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