What is the factorization of x^4-2x^3+3x^2-2x+1?

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the polynomial expression x4 - 2x3 + 3x2 - 2x + 1, with connections to a system of equations involving x and y. Participants explore various methods to approach the problem, including substitution and expansion techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss substituting y = (1-x) into the equations and expanding to find relationships between x and y. There are attempts to factor the polynomial and questions about how to derive the factorization from the expanded form. Some express uncertainty about proving specific integer solutions.

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The discussion is active, with several participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have suggested potential factorizations and are exploring the implications of their findings. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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Participants note that the polynomial may have complex roots and discuss the nature of the roots based on the coefficients. There is also mention of the need to consider the behavior of the equations under various conditions, particularly regarding rational and irrational solutions.

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Homework Statement


Given:
x7 + y7 =1
x + y = 1

Find the integer value(s) of (x-y)2.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I thought of substituting for y and then finding the rational roots but then I realized x and y don't have to be rational numbers for (x-y)^2 to be an integer. I am 90% sure the only solution is 1 (when x=1,y=0 or x=0,y=1) but don't know how to prove it. Any hint? Thanks.
 
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cupcakes said:

Homework Statement


Given:
x7 + y7 =1
x + y = 1

Find the integer value(s) of (x-y)2.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I thought of substituting for y and then finding the rational roots but then I realized x and y don't have to be rational numbers for (x-y)^2 to be an integer. I am 90% sure the only solution is 1 (when x=1,y=0 or x=0,y=1) but don't know how to prove it. Any hint? Thanks.
What are the solutions to the system of equations:

x7 + y7 =1

x + y = 1

?
 
I think I'm very close to solving it. I substituted y= (1-x) in the first equation and expanded. Then I factored that. However I don't know how to factor the last term.

x4-2x3+3x2-2x+1

WolframAplha say it can be factored into (x2-x+1)2. I just need to figure out how to factor that into this and then I'm done (I think). Any ideas? Thanks.
 
cupcakes said:
I think I'm very close to solving it. I substituted y= (1-x) in the first equation and expanded. Then I factored that. However I don't know how to factor the last term.

x4-2x3+3x2-2x+1

WolframAplha say it can be factored into (x2-x+1)2. I just need to figure out how to factor that into this and then I'm done (I think). Any ideas? Thanks.
How did you get to that expression?
Expanding (1-x)7 allows us to cancel the 1 and -x7 terms, so the highest power of x is 6, then after dividing through by x it should be a max power of 5.
 
Mentallic said:
How did you get to that expression?
Expanding (1-x)7 allows us to cancel the 1 and -x7 terms, so the highest power of x is 6, then after dividing through by x it should be a max power of 5.

Exactly. After expanding and canceling out we have:

7x6 - 21x5 + 35x4 - 35x3 + 21x2 - 7x.

First I divided by (7x). Then I realized (x-1) is a factor (since x=1 is a zero). After long division I have:

(7x)(x-1)(x4 - 2x3 + 3x2 - 2x + 1)
 
Ahh ok so you already factored out the x=1 factor.

So it's a quartic and hence it must have 4 complex roots. But since all the coefficients are real, the complex roots must come in complex conjugate pairs, and when you expand out (x-\alpha)(x-\beta) where \alpha, \beta \inℂ it must be equal to a quadratic with real coefficients.

So, with this we can deduce that the quartic must be able to be factorized into

(x^2+ax\pm 1)(x^2+bx\pm 1)

And expanding that, then equating coefficients we can deduce a=b=-1 and we need to take the positive of the /pm operator.
 
cupcakes said:

Homework Statement


Given:
x7 + y7 =1
x + y = 1

Find the integer value(s) of (x-y)2.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I thought of substituting for y and then finding the rational roots but then I realized x and y don't have to be rational numbers for (x-y)^2 to be an integer. I am 90% sure the only solution is 1 (when x=1,y=0 or x=0,y=1) but don't know how to prove it. Any hint? Thanks.

One way to proceed is to look for the intersection of the two graphs y = 1 - x and y = (1-x^7)^(1/7). For the latter: look at the graph y vs x for x^n + y^n = 1. When n = 1 you get the line x+y=1. When n = 2 you get the circle x^2 + y^2 = 1, a circle of radius 1 passing through the points (1,0) and (0,1). What happens if n > 2? Well, any point (x,y) in the interior of the first quadrant and on the circle x^2 + y^2 = 1 must lie to the left and below the curve y = f(x) for x^n + y^n = 1. This is because such a point on the circle has 0 < x < 1 and 0 < y < 1, so x^n < x^2 and y^n < y^2, hence x^n + y^n < 1. That means we need to increase x and/or y to bring the quantity x^n + y^n up to 1. In other words, for n > 2 the graph is outside the circle except at the ends (1,0) and (0,1). That means that the intersection of the graph with x + y = 1 is easy to ascertain.

RGV
 
cupcakes said:
I think I'm very close to solving it. I substituted y= (1-x) in the first equation and expanded. Then I factored that. However I don't know how to factor the last term.

x4-2x3+3x2-2x+1

WolframAplha say it can be factored into (x2-x+1)2. I just need to figure out how to factor that into this and then I'm done (I think). Any ideas? Thanks.
Split the 3x2 into x2 + 2x2 .

x4-2x3+3x2-2x+1
=x4-2x3+x2 + 2x2-2x+1

=(x2-x)2 + 2(x2-x) + 1

...​
 

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