What is the Feynman-Wheeler Theory and its connection to Huygens' Principle?

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The discussion centers on the Feynman-Wheeler theory and its relationship to Huygens' Principle, exploring the theoretical implications of wave propagation, particularly in the context of advanced and retarded potentials as described by Maxwell's equations. Participants also touch on related topics such as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) and its implications for understanding radiation sources.

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  • Some participants note that the Huygens-Fresnel Principle can be derived from Maxwell's equations but does not address the issue of backward wave propagation, which is theoretically allowed.
  • There is mention of the Feynman-Wheeler theory as a proposal that utilizes both advanced and retarded potentials, although it is noted that Feynman eventually moved away from this theory.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding detailed mathematical information on the Feynman-Wheeler theory.
  • Another participant provides references to Feynman's Nobel lecture and a paper co-authored with Wheeler as potential resources for further reading.
  • A question arises about a statement in Feynman's lecture regarding light and its sources, leading to a discussion about the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) as a potential example of radiation without a nearby material source.
  • Some participants question whether the CMB is emitted by matter, suggesting it is black body radiation from the edges of the universe.
  • Clarifications are offered regarding the nature of the CMB as a distant background source of radiation, distinct from nearby astronomical objects.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the CMB and its relationship to matter, as well as the status of the Feynman-Wheeler theory. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference various sources and interpretations of the Feynman-Wheeler theory and its implications, but there are limitations in the availability of detailed mathematical descriptions and the clarity of certain concepts discussed.

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Readers interested in theoretical physics, wave propagation, and the historical context of quantum electrodynamics may find this discussion relevant.

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while looking into huygen's principle i found a site that showed its just another way to look at waves in 1\3\5\...odd dimensions.

but i bumped into this:
The Huygens-Fresnel Principle is adequate to account for a wide range of optical phenomena, and it was later shown by Gustav Kirchoff (1824-1887) how this principle can be deduced from Maxwell's equations. Nevertheless (and despite statements to the contrary in the literature), it does not actually resolve the question about "backward" propagation of waves, because Maxwell's equations themselves theoretically allow for advanced as well as retarded potentials. It's customary to simply discount the advanced waves as "unrealistic", and to treat the retarded wave as if it was the unique solution, although there have occasionally been interesting proposals, such as the Feynman-Wheeler theory, that make use of both solutions.
i wanted to know more about this wheeler theory, i tried googling for it, but couldn't find more then 10 lines about it...

anyone knows what this theory is, and where could i find some mathematical info on it?
 
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As a first reference, look at
http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1965/feynman-lecture.html

and maybe
"Interaction with the Absorber as the Mechanism of Radiation"
John Archibald Wheeler and Richard Phillips Feynman
Rev. Mod. Phys. 17, 157–181 (1945)
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/RMP/v17/i2-3/p157_1

If you don't have access [and/or to find other discussion on it], you might try googling the quoted title.
 
thanks, I am reading it right now... (the nobel lecture)

i'll post some questions later, but i got one with little relevance - what does he mean by this sentance:
As a matter of fact, when we look out anywhere and see light, we can always "see" some matter as the source of the light. We don't just see light
(except recently some radio reception has been found with no apparent material source).

i know its off-topic, i'll ask the on-topic questions after i'll finish reading, but i wanted to know where has radio reception with no apparent material source been found..
 
but isn't the CMB emmited by matter? isn't it just the black body radiation of the edges of the universe?

anyway, i finished reading the nobel lecture, it was, as expected, fun to read.
I love feynman's lectures.
it seems feynman abandoned the wheeler theory a long time ago, it was just one of his ideas for QED which has been left out.
i think i'll leave the second link for tomorrow though :biggrin:
 
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In the faq I directed you to, there is this question and answer (which addresses your boldfaced section and is why I gave that url)
Why is it called a "Background"?

We refer to this radiation as a background because we see it no matter where we look. It clearly doesn't come from any nearby objects, such as stars or clouds within our Galaxy, or even from external galaxies. It is clearly a distant, "background" source of radiation. You can think of the whole Universe as being filled with this background of microwave photons.
 

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