What is the force on the trailer wall

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the forces exerted on the walls of a trailer designed to carry unshelled peanuts. Participants explore the implications of using composite panels for the trailer's construction and seek to understand the forces acting both downward and sideways due to the load of peanuts. The context includes considerations of material behavior and structural design.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Pratap, the trailer manufacturer, seeks assistance in calculating the sideways force exerted by unshelled peanuts to inform material selection for the trailer's composite panels.
  • Some participants reference the Janssen equation, suggesting it may help establish proper values for the forces involved.
  • Others propose that treating the peanuts as a liquid (hydrostatic assumption) could provide an upper limit for the forces on the trailer walls, citing relevant figures from external resources.
  • It is noted that for a trailer wall height of less than 10 feet, the hydrostatic assumption might be sufficiently accurate in practice.
  • Concerns are raised about the abrasiveness of dry granular materials, leading to suggestions of using protective liners in trailer designs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the best approach to calculate the forces on the trailer walls, with some supporting the hydrostatic model while others emphasize the complexity of the Janssen equation. No consensus is reached on a definitive method for calculating the forces.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in assumptions regarding material behavior and the need for accurate variable values in calculations. There is also an acknowledgment of the abrasive nature of the load, which may affect material choices.

Pratap Lingam
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Hello All,

I am a semi trailer manufacturer who just started building specialty trailers for various industries. Recently I have been asked to develop a trailer to carry peanuts from the farms and deliver them to ware house. To design the trailer light enough, i have decided to go with Composite panel, but manufacturer wants to know the force of the Unshelled peanuts, so they can suggest the right material for us. I have never done this, so I need help from bright minds like you. Here are the details.

Trailer storage area for peanuts is: 44' L x 102" W x 9' 6" H
Unshelled Peanut weight per cubic feet is: 17.6 lb (approximate)

Unshelled Peanuts are equally distributed inside the trailer. So the force will be downward and sideways. I need to know the force on the sideways, so the right composite panel is used and supported in right places.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Pratap
 
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That's pretty sophisticated ! It will be quite a job to establish the proper values for all the variables in the Janssen equation 10-9. (This may help ?)
However, from figure 10-7 you can see that the assumption that the material behaves as a liquid ("hydrostatic") at least gives an upper limit for the forces on the walls (fig 4-6 http://udel.edu/~inamdar/EGTE215/Hydrostatics.pdf ).
 
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However, from figure 10-7 you can see that the assumption that the material behaves as a liquid ("hydrostatic") at least gives an upper limit for the forces on the walls (fig 4-6 http://udel.edu/~inamdar/EGTE215/Hydrostatics.pdf ).

Yes - and for a trailer wall less than 10 ft high it is probably accurate enough in practice .

Note that many dry granular materials are very abrasive and you will sometimes see trailers with throw away polythene liners as protection .
 
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