What is the gravitational force like near a black hole?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravitational forces near black holes, particularly in relation to their interaction with other celestial bodies, such as stars. Participants explore concepts related to orbital mechanics and the behavior of mass under gravity in the context of black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares an interactive experiment related to black holes and questions what a black hole would orbit around.
  • Another participant clarifies that the black hole is orbiting around the center of mass of the black hole and star system, also referred to as the barycenter.
  • A participant emphasizes that black holes are not fundamentally different from other masses in terms of gravitational interaction, stating that they behave like regular masses and can be treated similarly to stars.
  • It is noted that if the Sun were replaced by a black hole of the same mass, the orbits of the planets would remain unchanged, highlighting the nature of gravitational forces.
  • A participant points out the significant difference in proximity to a black hole compared to a regular star, explaining that one could approach a black hole much closer due to its smaller radius, which dramatically increases gravitational force at close distances.

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Participants generally agree on the basic principles of gravitational interaction involving black holes and stars, but there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these interactions, particularly regarding proximity and gravitational strength.

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There are assumptions regarding the behavior of gravitational forces at varying distances from black holes that remain unexamined, as well as the implications of replacing a star with a black hole of equivalent mass.

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Found this interesting interactive experiment.
http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/encyc_mod3_q14.html

In the interactive, it looks like the black hole is orbiting around something. What would it orbit around? Or am I looking at it wrong?
 
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The center of mass of the BH + Star system. :smile:
 
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davenn said:
yup, or more commonly known as the barycentre :smile:
Show-off! :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Show-off! :smile:
hahaha :-p:-p
 
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It's orbiting around a plan ol' star.

Black holes are not magical star-gobbling machines. They are compact masses, subject to gravity, just like any other mass. More to the point, they act on other things like a regular mass does.

If the Sun were replaced by a black hole of the same mass, Earth and the other planets - even Mercury would all happily continue on their merry way as if nothing had changed.

Black holes can easily have a mass similar to a large star, and so will behave like a star in every way. The only tricky bit to dealing with them is that you can get a lot closer to them than you can to a regular star.

For example, you cannot get closer to the sun than its surface - which is 400,000 miles from its centre. But a BH of one solar mass would be less than 13 miles in radius. So you could get 399,983 miles closer to that same one solar mass. And gravitational force squares as you halve the distance - making it about 10 million times greater - when you're that close.

That's where you start to run into problems.
 
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