What is the heat absorption of apples in a hot water bath?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat absorption of apple slices when immersed in a hot water bath. Participants explore the thermal dynamics involved in heating the apple slices, considering factors such as surface area, temperature differences, and specific heat capacities. The scope includes theoretical calculations and assumptions related to transient heat transfer.

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  • One participant presents a formula for heat transfer, Q/t = K*A*(T1-T2), and calculates the heat transfer rate based on the thermal conductivity of apples and the temperature difference.
  • Another participant suggests that the temperature of the apples will increase over time, proposing a transient heat transfer analysis to refine the calculations.
  • Some participants propose using the specific heat capacity of apples, similar to that of water, to estimate the energy required to heat the slices, leading to an upper limit for power requirements.
  • Calculations indicate that approximately 43.62 kW would be needed to heat the apples to 53 degrees Celsius, with some participants suggesting that a heater capacity of around 60 kW might be more practical.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether the entire apple slice reaches the target temperature, with suggestions to use a lumped capacity model or 1D models for more accurate temperature predictions.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations leading to a power requirement of around 43 kW, but there is no consensus on the final temperature that the apple slices achieve or the accuracy of the models used. Multiple competing views on the heating dynamics and assumptions remain unresolved.

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Limitations include assumptions about uniform heating, the specific heat capacity of apples, and the transient nature of heat transfer, which may not be fully accounted for in the calculations presented.

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I have a problem here I am trying to solve for work. Does not need to be 100% accurate.
Apple slices are pushed through a bath of hot water to heat the outside of them for 30 seconds.

- Apple slice has an area of 3500mm² = 0.035m²
- Apple temperature is 3 degree cel
- Hot water temp = 53 deg cel. (kept constance from heat exchanger)
- Apple slices are heated for 30 seconds
- 82,300 slices per hour are processed.
- Thermal Conductivity of Apple = 0.5 W/(m K)

Im trying to find the Heat (energy transferred to the apples) - in other words, heat required by the heat exchanger to keep the bath at 53 degrees.

Here is my workings.

82,300 slices / (60*60) = 22.8 slices per second.
30 seconds bath time * 22.8 slices = 686 slices in bath at anyone time.

686 * 0.035 = 24m2 of surface area in the bath.

Q/t = K*A*(T1-T2)

Q/t= 0.5*24*50 = 600 J/s = 600W.

After looking on google, the formula I have above sometimes get divided with a distance. mainly when looking at heat losses through windows. distance = thickness. This makes sense as the units leaves me a with meter on the top. Q/t = W/(m K) * m2 * K,

So should I now divide the 600W by the average depth of a slice/2 (say 8mm)

giving me 75kW of heat being absorbed by the slices. Thats a lot of heat! (the Heat exchanger is capable of having upto 96kW provided to it, i think)

Thanks,
Anthony
 
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In your formula: Q/t = K*A*(T1-T2)

Note the T2 increases and Q varies with time.

SO, you could assume in 30 seconds the apples reach 50 C. if you want to perform a transient heat transfer analyis on the applies let me know!

BUT, we can get an upper limit of the energy required as follows:

The energy to heat one apple slice:

Q = mass_apple_slice X specific heat_apple X temperature rise of apple.

THEN, with the rate you pass apples, you can figure the total input power to maintain 50C !

Let me know if you need any help.
 
I would follow edgepflow's idea. If you assume apples are more or less the same as water (SHC 4200J/kgC) and you know the mass of a slice you should get a reasonable upper limit for the power required.
 
edgepflow said:
In your formula: Q/t = K*A*(T1-T2)
The energy to heat one apple slice:
Q = mass_apple_slice X specific heat_apple X temperature rise of apple.

750 kg of apples if processed per hour
750 (kg/hr) / 82,300 (slc/hr) = 9.11 grams per slice

Q = 0.00911 * 4,200 (J/kgC) * 50 (C) = 1913 J

22.8 slices per second;
1913 *22.8 = 43.62 KJ/s = 43.62 KW

This 43.62 kW would only be reached if the apples managed to reached 53 degree, correct? But is a maximum possible consumption.
 
I agree with your calculation...43kW to heat this quantity of apples to 53C in 30secs.
I don't know but I imagine that in practice you would make sure that your heater could supply about 60kW to give some lee way.
 
Is there a way for me to determine a more accurate final temperature of the apples?
I don't think the whole slice heats up to 53 degrees.
 
hilly1989 said:
750 kg of apples if processed per hour
750 (kg/hr) / 82,300 (slc/hr) = 9.11 grams per slice

Q = 0.00911 * 4,200 (J/kgC) * 50 (C) = 1913 J

22.8 slices per second;
1913 *22.8 = 43.62 KJ/s = 43.62 KW

This 43.62 kW would only be reached if the apples managed to reached 53 degree, correct? But is a maximum possible consumption.
I came up with 38 kW - so I think your numbers are good. That is a lot of power, but that is a lot of apples.
 
hilly1989 said:
Is there a way for me to determine a more accurate final temperature of the apples?
I don't think the whole slice heats up to 53 degrees.
Yes, you could start with a simple lumped capacity model if the Biot number < 0.1. Otherwise, we have to move to some 1D models.
 

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