What is the initial velocity of the bullet when it is shot into the block?

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The discussion focuses on determining the initial velocity of a bullet that embeds itself in a block, leading to the compression of a spring. The potential energy from the spring's compression is calculated using the formula U=1/2Kx^2, while the kinetic energy equations for the block and bullet are also applied. A key error identified is the assumption that kinetic energy is conserved during the collision; instead, momentum conservation must be used to find the bullet's initial velocity. The correct approach involves applying the conservation of momentum to relate the velocities before and after the collision. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the principles of momentum and energy in solving such physics problems.
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Homework Statement


An 8 g bullet is shot into a 4 kg block, at rest on a frictionless horizontal surface. The bullet remains lodged in the block. The block moves into a spring and compresses it by 8.7cm. the force constant of the spring is 2400N/m. The initial velocity of the bullet is closest to
A. 1190m/s B. 1020m/s C. 1110m/s D. 1150m/s E. 1070m/s

Homework Equations


U= 1/2Kx^2
K = 1/2mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the potential energy from the spring compressing using U=1/2(2400)(0.087^2) and set that equal to the kinetic energy of the block moving with the bullet lodged into it K=1/2(4.008)V^2. solved for v then set that kinetic energy equation equal to the kinetic energy of the bullet K=1/2(0.008)v^2 but the value of v for the bullet I get is much much smaller than any of the choices
1/2(2400)(0.087^2)=1/2(4.008)v^2=1/2(0.008)v^2
 
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steelydan8821 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the potential energy from the spring compressing using U=1/2(2400)(0.087^2) and set that equal to the kinetic energy of the block moving with the bullet lodged into it K=1/2(4.008)V^2.
Good!
solved for v then set that kinetic energy equation equal to the kinetic energy of the bullet K=1/2(0.008)v^2 but the value of v for the bullet I get is much much smaller than any of the choices
1/2(2400)(0.087^2)=1/2(4.008)v^2=1/2(0.008)v^2
There's your error. The KE of the bullet does not equal the KE of block + bullet. KE is not conserved during the collision. But something else is.
 
The momentum is conserved. Thanks Dr Al
 
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