What is the Integration Process for a Logistic Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the integration process for a logistic equation, specifically focusing on the change of variables in integration and how limits of integration transform when switching from one variable to another. Participants explore the implications of this change in context of the logistic growth model.

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  • One participant asks for clarification on why the variable T changes to y(T) and 0 changes to y(0) in the context of the logistic equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the context of the equations may not provide additional insight, implying it may be a rule not previously learned.
  • A participant explains that the variable of integration is changing from t to y, indicating that y is a function of t and that the limits must reflect this change.
  • Further clarification is provided that the integration process involves a change of variables, where the bounds of integration must correspond to the new variable.
  • One participant describes the process of substitution in integration, noting that the bounds change to reflect the values of y at the corresponding t values.
  • Another participant confirms the limits of integration are from 0 to T with respect to the variable t, as indicated by dt.

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Participants generally agree on the mechanics of changing variables in integration, but there is no consensus on the broader implications or the specific terminology used to describe the process.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the terminology and the context of the equations, suggesting that there may be missing assumptions or definitions that could clarify the discussion.

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Can somebody explain to me what this is called
http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math101/notes/moreApps/logistic_37.gif
http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math101/notes/moreApps/logistic_38.gif

I mean what's happening on the left side of this equation
Why does the T turn into y(T) and 0 into y(0)?

Thanks
 
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Could you give some context behind the equations?
 
hi nhmllr! :smile:
nhmllr said:
… what's happening on the left side of this equation
Why does the T turn into y(T) and 0 into y(0)?

the variable of integration is changing from t to y

the original limit was 0 < t < T

y is a function of t

so that's the same as y(0) < y(t) < y(T) :wink:

(you need the same limit, written in the new variable)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi nhmllr! :smile:


the variable of integration is changing from t to y

the original limit was 0 < t < T

y is a function of t

so that's the same as y(0) < y(t) < y(T) :wink:

(you need the same limit, written in the new variable)

Ohhh... I think I see, Thanks
 
nhmllr said:
Can somebody explain to me what this is called
http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math101/notes/moreApps/logistic_37.gif
http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math101/notes/moreApps/logistic_38.gif

I mean what's happening on the left side of this equation
Why does the T turn into y(T) and 0 into y(0)?

Thanks

It's basically a change of variable, or if you prefer to think about it this way, a reversal of the usual method of substitution.

If you're working out \int f(y)dy, where y is dependent on t, i.e. y = g(t), then you can state:

\int f(y)dy = \int f(g(t))dy = \int f(g(t))\frac{dy}{dt} dt = \int f(y)\frac{dy}{dt}dt.

What happened there is I made a change of variables from y to t. dy = \frac{dy}{dt}dt. You should be able to recognise that as the basis for substitution.

In the example, they're just going in reverse.

The reason the bounds change is that the bounds must follow the variable of integration. So if the integration is wrt t, the bounds will be [0,T]. If the integration is wrt y, the bounds will be y_0, y_T where the lower bound refers to the y-value at t = 0 and the upper bound refers to the y-value at t=T.
 
The limit of integration is from 0 to T and you're integrating with respect to the varible t, as shown by dt.
 

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