What Is the Intersection of the Empty Family of Subsets of \(\mathbb{R}\)?

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The discussion revolves around the intersection of the empty family of subsets of \(\mathbb{R}\) within the context of set theory. Participants explore the implications of defining an empty family and how it relates to the intersection operation, including the concept of vacuous truth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that since \(\mathcal{A}\) is empty, every member of \(\mathcal{A}\) contains all real numbers, leading to the conclusion that \(\bigcap_{A\in\mathcal{A}} A = \mathbb{R}\).
  • Another participant challenges this by questioning how an empty family can contain subsets of \(\mathbb{R}\), suggesting that it should simply be the empty set.
  • Some participants clarify that the statement about every member being true is vacuously true, as the antecedent is always false.
  • There is a mention that the intersection of the empty set is considered to be the class of all sets, which introduces a competing viewpoint.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the intersection defined over \(\mathcal{A}\) allows \(x\) to be any element in the universe due to the nature of the conditional operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the intersection of the empty family, with some asserting it leads to \(\mathbb{R}\) and others suggesting it leads to the class of all sets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the intersection of an empty family.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of set operations and the concept of vacuous truth, which may not be universally understood or accepted in the same way.

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I am beginning to study set theory and came across the following example:

Let [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] be the empty family of subsets of [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex]. Since [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] is empty, every member of [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] contains all real numbers. That is, [tex]((\forall A)(A\in\mathcal{A}\Rightarrow x\in A))[/tex] is true for all real numbers x. Thus [tex]\bigcap_{A\in\mathcal{A}} A = \mathbb{R}[/tex].

My problem is with the first sentence. Since a family is simply a set of sets, If we talk about an empty family wouldn't this simply be the empty set [tex]\emptyset[/tex]? And since the empty set is defined not to contain anything, how could it contain any subsets of the set of real numbers?
 
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It does not contain anything. The second sentence is vacuously true.
 
Actually, the intersection of the empty set is V, the class of all sets.
 
doktordave said:
I am beginning to study set theory and came across the following example:

Let [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] be the empty family of subsets of [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex]. Since [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] is empty, every member of [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] contains all real numbers. That is, [tex]((\forall A)(A\in\mathcal{A}\Rightarrow x\in A))[/tex] is true for all real numbers x. Thus [tex]\bigcap_{A\in\mathcal{A}} A = \mathbb{R}[/tex].

My problem is with the first sentence. Since a family is simply a set of sets, If we talk about an empty family wouldn't this simply be the empty set [tex]\emptyset[/tex]?
Yes, that's true. "every member of [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] contains all real numbers" is the same as "if U is a member of [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] then U contains all real numbers". The statement "if A then B" is true whenever A is false, irrespective of whether B is true or false (that is what slider142 means by "vacuously true"). Since "U is a member of [tex]\mathcal{a}[/tex] is always false, anything we say about U is true!

And since the empty set is defined not to contain anything, how could it contain any subsets of the set of real numbers?
It doesn't. That is not what the statement says!
 
I think I understand now. Since the intersection over [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] is defined as [tex]\left\{x: (\forall A)(A\in \mathcal{A} \Rightarrow x\in A)\right\}[/tex] and the antecedent of the conditional is always false (there is nothing in [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex]), the conditional will always be true, because of the way the conditional operator is defined. So x can be anything in the universe. This seems a little backwards to my way of thinking, but I guess that's ok. I'll have to study that article on vacuous truth, it looks interesting. Thanks!

edit: Ah, thanks HallsofIvy. I was busy editing this post while you responded.
 

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