What is the Ionisation Energy of Hydrogen in KJ mol-1?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the ionization energy of hydrogen using a provided spectrum of wavelengths. Participants explore the relationship between wavelength, frequency, and energy, and how these relate to the ionization energy of hydrogen in kilojoules per mole.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the shortest wavelength (8.4 x 106) to calculate the ionization energy, but notes that a different value (11.1 x 106) is used in calculations.
  • Another participant states that the ionization energy of a hydrogen atom is 13.6 eV, implying that the energy from the wavelengths must meet or exceed this value to ionize the atom.
  • Questions arise regarding the units of the provided wavelengths, with some participants suggesting they are in meters and others questioning whether they are to the power of -6.
  • A participant clarifies that the term "wave number" refers to the reciprocal of the wavelength, explaining the units as m-1 rather than meters.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between frequency and wavelength, with one participant stating that frequency is equal to c/λ and another emphasizing the need for clarification on the proportionality of frequency to wavelength.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarifications provided throughout the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the wavelengths and their units, leading to multiple competing views on how to approach the calculation of ionization energy. The discussion remains unresolved as participants seek clarification on various aspects without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the units of measurement and the interpretation of the relationship between wavelength, frequency, and energy. The dependence on specific definitions and the lack of agreement on the correct approach to the calculations are noted.

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Hi, I've a question that shows me a diagram for wavelength, there's 4 of them

11.1 x 106
10.5 x 106
9.7 x 106
8.4 x 106

then it asked me to determine the ionisation energy of hydrogen in KJ mol-1 by using the above spectrum.

From what i know
E = hf
f = c/lambda
lambda being the wavelength

The equation should be using the largest frequency so i should pick the shortest wavelength right? which is 8.4 x 106

But the calculation behind uses the value of 11.1 x 106 . Can anyone explain?
 
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You know that the electron of a hydrogen atom has 13.6 eV less energy than a motionless electron infinitely far from the nucleus. Thus, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energy" needed to set this electron free is supposed to equal 13.6 eV or more but not less. So, among the wavelengths you've stated, which one would provide the sufficient energy needed to set it free?
 
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What are the units for wavelength?
 
crays said:
11.1 x 106
10.5 x 106
9.7 x 106
8.4 x 106

I think these numbers are to the power of -6!
 
chemisttree said:
What are the units for wavelength?
Good question. crays, can you tell us what units are used for wavelength in the problem statement.

drizzle said:
I think these numbers are to the power of -6!
This does not answer the question about units, but if it's true than we need crays to clarify whether the exponents are +6 or -6.
 
Redbelly98 said:
This does not answer the question about units, but if it's true than we need crays to clarify whether the exponents are +6 or -6.

I wasn't answering chemisttree's Q, but I think it's meters in this case, probably.
 
So sorry for the late reply, it is written

wave number, v (x 106 m-1) by m-1 i assume it is wave length.

From my book it says that frequency is equals to c/lambda but not proportional to. Clarification please. cause if its wavelength, it should be h x 1/wavelength x c.
 
Wave number is 1/λ, i.e. the reciprocal of the wavelength. That is why the units are m-1 instead of m.

crays said:
The equation should be using the largest frequency so i should pick the shortest wavelength right? which is 8.4 x 106

But the calculation behind uses the value of 11.1 x 106 . Can anyone explain?
The frequency is simply c·(1/λ), or c-times-wavenumber. Hence the largest frequency goes with the largest wavenumber, 11.1 x 106 m-1.

EDIT:
From my book it says that frequency is equals to c/lambda but not proportional to. Clarification please. cause if its wavelength, it should be h x 1/wavelength x c.
The frequency is c/λ. The photon energy is hc/λ = h x frequency.

If you examine the units in h, c, and λ, you'll find the expressions in the above paragraph work out to s-1 for frequency and J for energy, just as they should.
 
Thanks a lot for clarification and the help :)
 

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