What is the lifetyle of a theoretical physicist like?

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The discussion revolves around the lifestyle of theoretical physicists, contrasting it with that of experimental physicists. Participants explore what daily activities, work environments, and flexibility look like for theorists compared to experimentalists, touching on aspects of research, teaching, and the nature of their work.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the lifestyle of theoretical physicists, questioning what they actually do compared to experimental physicists.
  • One participant describes their experience as a Ph.D. student, noting the flexibility of working from various locations and the lack of urgent lab responsibilities.
  • Another participant, an experimentalist, shares their own experience of spending time on a computer for calculations but also engaging in hands-on work with lab equipment.
  • There are humorous analogies made comparing experimental and theoretical physics, suggesting differing experiences in a light-hearted manner.
  • Some participants seek more specific details about the daily activities and work environments of theoretical physicists.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are notable differences between the lifestyles of theoretical and experimental physicists, but there is no consensus on the specifics of those lifestyles or the implications of those differences.

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Some statements reflect personal experiences and opinions, which may not represent the broader community of physicists. The discussion includes varying degrees of humor and metaphor, which may influence interpretations of the lifestyle described.

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Individuals considering a career in physics, particularly those weighing the differences between theoretical and experimental paths, may find this discussion insightful.

Peter Tran
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Honestly, I haven't got a clue.

Well I do, but I'm quite sure it's fictional.

EDIT: Maybe I should have explained what I meant by "lifestyle". Exactly what do they do? I know an experimental physicist would go to a lab and perform experiments which would yield results. What does a theoretical physicist do? Sit on a computer all day long doing endless calculations? Like I said, I honestly haven't gotten a clue.
 
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Physicists really do exist; they're not theoretical... :biggrin:
 
DaveC426913 said:
Physicists really do exist; they're not theoretical... :biggrin:

Heh, I'm sure you understand what I meant.
 
It's pretty lax, compared to the Experimentalists. I'm still a Ph.D. Student, so I don't have to worry about all the paper work with grants, but that part's the same for theorists and experimentalists anyways. Well, except for equipment grants, we don't have to deal with these nearly as much.

Unlike experimentalists, I don't have to spend a lot of time in the office/lab. I can work from home. Or from another country. Or from a beach by the ocean, though, opportunity for that doesn't arise often. I'm also pretty flexible on time. Except for the labs I have to TA in, there isn't anything I can't push to another time. I have no experiments that will blow up without me checking up on them. At the worst, a simulation, but again, I can log into the computer running it from pretty much anywhere.

Work on the computer takes up maybe a third of my time. The rest is done on paper. This bit, of course, can vary a lot on just what sort of theory you want to be working on. Either way, you can be pretty mobile if you organize things right.

But yes. Basically, it's all about making computations. Not necessarily numerical ones. More often than not, you are interested in method for achieving a result than the result itself. Every once in a while, though, you get unexpected results, and that's when you go and tell experimentalists what they should be spending their time on.
 
K^2 said:
It's pretty lax, compared to the Experimentalists. I'm still a Ph.D. Student, so I don't have to worry about all the paper work with grants, but that part's the same for theorists and experimentalists anyways. Well, except for equipment grants, we don't have to deal with these nearly as much.

Unlike experimentalists, I don't have to spend a lot of time in the office/lab. I can work from home. Or from another country. Or from a beach by the ocean, though, opportunity for that doesn't arise often. I'm also pretty flexible on time. Except for the labs I have to TA in, there isn't anything I can't push to another time. I have no experiments that will blow up without me checking up on them. At the worst, a simulation, but again, I can log into the computer running it from pretty much anywhere.

Work on the computer takes up maybe a third of my time. The rest is done on paper. This bit, of course, can vary a lot on just what sort of theory you want to be working on. Either way, you can be pretty mobile if you organize things right.

But yes. Basically, it's all about making computations. Not necessarily numerical ones. More often than not, you are interested in method for achieving a result than the result itself. Every once in a while, though, you get unexpected results, and that's when you go and tell experimentalists what they should be spending their time on.

Is the work that's done on paper done in solitude? How "interested" in the work do you get while performing computations?

Sorry about this, I'm just really intrigued. I've never had an opportunity like this. Also, what do you mean by "TA"?
 
"TA" is a short for "Teachers assistant" and it is basically teaching classes, correcting proofs, instructing labs etc.
 
Theoretical physicist's lifestyle is almost like the lifestyle of a regular physicist. It's just a bit more theoretical.
 
Klockan3 said:
"TA" is a short for "Teachers assistant" and it is basically teaching classes, correcting proofs, instructing labs etc.

Ahh thanks.

haael said:
Theoretical physicist's lifestyle is almost like the lifestyle of a regular physicist. It's just a bit more theoretical.

I'd like specific details, if possible? :)
I don't see how they are similar, one spends most of their time in a lab, while the other does not.
 
Peter Tran said:
Honestly, I haven't got a clue.

Well I do, but I'm quite sure it's fictional.

EDIT: Maybe I should have explained what I meant by "lifestyle". Exactly what do they do? I know an experimental physicist would go to a lab and perform experiments which would yield results. What does a theoretical physicist do? Sit on a computer all day long doing endless calculations? Like I said, I honestly haven't gotten a clue.

I'm an experimentalist (particle astrophysics), and I sit on a computer all day doing endless calculations. I guess the only difference is that whenever we need to build new components for the telescope, I get to take a break from my computer and go play in my lab for a couple hours at a time. I also have to/get to go down to the telescope once a year and do an observing shift. Getting to play with the telescope and watch it move is actually pretty cool.

Oh wait, you're asking about theorists. Never mind.
 
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arunma said:
I'm an experimentalist (particle astrophysics), and I sit on a computer all day doing endless calculations. I guess the only difference is that whenever we need to build new components for the telescope, I get to take a break from my computer and go play in my lab for a couple hours at a time. I also have to/get to go down to the telescope once a year and do an observing shift. Getting to play with the telescope and watch it move is actually pretty cool.

Oh wait, you're asking about theorists. Never mind.

No no! The more information the better. You see, I'm leaning back and forth between theoretical and experimental, I know I want to do research; I just haven't decided on which.
 
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Experimental physics is like making sex with an ugly girl. Theoretical is like imagining sex with a beautiful one.
 
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haael said:
Experimental physics is like making sex with an ugly girl. Theoretical is like imagining sex with a beautiful one.
:smile:
 
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K^2 said:
It's pretty lax, compared to the Experimentalists. I'm still a Ph.D. Student, so I don't have to worry about all the paper work with grants, but that part's the same for theorists and experimentalists anyways. Well, except for equipment grants, we don't have to deal with these nearly as much.

Unlike experimentalists, I don't have to spend a lot of time in the office/lab. I can work from home. Or from another country. Or from a beach by the ocean, though, opportunity for that doesn't arise often. I'm also pretty flexible on time. Except for the labs I have to TA in, there isn't anything I can't push to another time. I have no experiments that will blow up without me checking up on them. At the worst, a simulation, but again, I can log into the computer running it from pretty much anywhere.

Work on the computer takes up maybe a third of my time. The rest is done on paper. This bit, of course, can vary a lot on just what sort of theory you want to be working on. Either way, you can be pretty mobile if you organize things right.

But yes. Basically, it's all about making computations. Not necessarily numerical ones. More often than not, you are interested in method for achieving a result than the result itself. Every once in a while, though, you get unexpected results, and that's when you go and tell experimentalists what they should be spending their time on.

Incredible. The freedom to work on my targets and revel in my creativity wherever it might take me is a dream. Letting my energies flow with passion rather than shutting them off for whatever applied job or laborious work needed. Your post describes that dream. Is that really the truth?

http://wuphys.wustl.edu/~katz/scientist.html

Or is that the reality?

Teasing the nectarious math and physics from nature's fruit. Authority and applied science is square and grey.

I'd like to do my own research. Money is not an issue- I can live off a lot less than most. Just need my science. And science only comes with freedom. Would this happen going the way of a PhD?
 
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luma said:
Incredible. The freedom to work on my targets and revel in my creativity wherever it might take me is a dream. Letting my energies flow with passion rather than shutting them off for whatever applied job or laborious work needed. Your post describes that dream. Is that really the truth?

http://wuphys.wustl.edu/~katz/scientist.html

Or is that the reality?

Teasing the nectarious math and physics from nature's fruit. Authority and applied science is square and grey.

I'd like to do my own research. Money is not an issue- I can live off a lot less than most. Just need my science. And science only comes with freedom. Would this happen going the way of a PhD?

If that article is true, I might as well commit sucide... (Obviously an exaggeration, don't take it seriously.)
 
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I sensed some condescending tones towards experimentalists so I want to say something.

It's like my physics professor said - Theoretical physics is like music - you only need the best.

The vast majority of progress comes from experimentalists, and experimentalists don't just get a result and sit there scratching their heads waiting for the brilliant theoreticians to come save them - they often have their own theories and ideas as well. Theoretical physics can be crucial - if you're James Maxwell, Albert Einstein, or Richard Feynman, but I think theoreticians get a lot more credit than is deserved.
 

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