What is the Limit as x Approaches 0 for the Absolute Value Function?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression involving absolute values as x approaches 0. Participants explore different methods and reasoning related to the limit, including piecewise definitions and L'Hôpital's rule.

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  • One participant claims the limit is -4, providing a calculation that leads to this result.
  • Another participant discusses the need to consider the sign changes of the expressions within the absolute values, specifically for the interval around x = 0.
  • A participant questions the choice of the negative sign in the calculations.
  • One participant explains the piecewise nature of the absolute value function and how it applies to the limit calculation.
  • Several participants suggest proving the limit using the epsilon-delta definition of limits, reiterating that the limit is -4.
  • Another participant applies L'Hôpital's rule to arrive at the same limit of -4, explaining the differentiation of absolute value functions.

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There is no consensus on the approach to the limit, as participants employ different methods and reasoning. However, multiple participants arrive at the same limit value of -4.

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Participants rely on the piecewise definition of absolute values and the application of L'Hôpital's rule, but the discussion does not resolve all assumptions or conditions under which the limit is evaluated.

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$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\left| 2x-1 \right|-\left| 2x+1 \right|}{x}=-4$$

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Since we have the absolute values we have to look at which points the expressions $2x-1$ and $2x+1$ change the sign.

We have that $2x-1>0$ for $x>\frac{1}{2}$ and $2x+1>0$ for $x>-\frac{1}{2}$.

Since we want to calculate the limit as $x \rightarrow 0$, we have to take the case $-\frac{1}{2}<x<\frac{1}{2}$.

So we have the following: $$\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{|2x-1|-|2x+1|}{x}=\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{-(2x-1)-(2x+1)}{x}\\ =\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{-2x+1-2x-1}{x}=\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{-4x}{x}\\ =\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}-4=-4$$
 
I don't see why you choose the - sign
 
We have the following identity of an absolute value:

$$|a|=\left\{\begin{matrix}
a \ \ ,& a>0\\
-a \ \ ,& a<0
\end{matrix}\right.$$

For $x>\frac{1}{2}$ we have that $2x-1$ is positive, so $|2x-1|=2x-1$.
For $x<\frac{1}{2}$ we have that $2x-1$ is negative, so $|2x-1|=-(2x-1)$.

Since we choose the interval $-\frac{1}{2}<x<\frac{1}{2}$ we have that $|2x-1|=-(2x-1)=-2x+1$.
 
Got it
 
I suggest to prove the following:

$$\forall \epsilon>0\exists\delta>0\forall x\in\mathbb{R}^*\left(|x|<\delta\to\left|\frac{|2x-1|-|2x+1|}{x}+4\right|<\epsilon\right)$$

which defines

$$\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{|2x-1|-|2x+1|}{x}=-4.$$
 
Andrei said:
I suggest to prove the following:

$$\forall \epsilon>0\exists\delta>0\forall x\in\mathbb{R}^*\left(|x|<\delta\to\left|\frac{|2x-1|-|2x+1|}{x}+4\right|<\epsilon\right)$$

which defines

$$\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{|2x-1|-|2x+1|}{x}=-4.$$
Rather daunting!
 
L'Hopital's rule:

$$\lim_{x\to0}\dfrac{\left|2x-1\right|-\left|2x+1\right|}{x}=\lim_{x\to0}\dfrac{2(2x-1)}{\left|2x-1\right|}-\dfrac{2(2x+1)}{\left|2x+1\right|}=\lim_{x\to0}-2-2=-4$$

Using the chain rule, $$\dfrac{d}{dx}\,\left|f(x)\right|=f'(x)\dfrac{f(x)}{\left|f(x)\right|}$$.
 

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