What is the limit of x^(1/log(x)) as x approaches infinity?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the expression \( x^{1/\log_a(x)} \) as \( x \) approaches infinity. Participants explore the implications of this limit, the behavior of the expression, and the use of logarithms in simplifying the analysis. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants express confusion about why the limit of \( x^{1/\log_a(x)} \) as \( x \) approaches infinity is not equal to 1, given that the base approaches infinity and the exponent approaches 0.
  • Others argue that the situation is more complex than simply applying the indeterminate form \( \infty^0 \), suggesting that logarithmic manipulation is necessary.
  • One participant proposes that taking the logarithm of the expression reveals that it can be shown to be equivalent to 1, implying that the limit is a constant.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of recognizing that \( \infty^0 \) is an indeterminate form, which complicates direct conclusions about the limit.
  • Some participants suggest that switching to the common logarithm can simplify the analysis and lead to a clearer understanding of the limit.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between the base of the logarithm and the constant that the limit approaches, though this remains unclear to some participants.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the limit of the expression. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the limit and the role of logarithmic manipulation in understanding it.

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Participants note that the expression involves an indeterminate form and that careful limit analysis is required. The discussion highlights the complexity of limits involving variables in both the base and exponent, as well as the need for precise definitions in logarithmic contexts.

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I don't understand why the limit of x1/loga(x) as x approaches infinity is a, where a can be any constant for the base.

Why isn't it 1? The base (x), approaches infinity, while the exponent approaches 0 (1/infinity), so it should be (infinity)0 = 1.
 
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Something moving toward infinity raised to an exponent that is moving toward zero is not that simple.
Hint:
## \log_a x ^ {1/\log_a(x)} = \frac{1}{\log_a(x)} \log_a x =1##
 
##x^{1/\log_a x}## is a constant function for positive x. Try to find this constant.
 
RUber said:
Something moving toward infinity raised to an exponent that is moving toward zero is not that simple.
Hint:
## \log_a x ^ {1/\log_a(x)} = \frac{1}{\log_a(x)} \log_a x =1##
I'm confused by your hint. Didn't you just prove that it approaches 1?
 
I showed that if you take the log of your expression, it can be shown to be equivalent to 1.
What does that tell you about the expression itself? As blue leaf mentioned, it will be a constant.
 
RUber said:
I showed that if you take the log of your expression, it can be shown to be equivalent to 1.
What does that tell you about the expression itself? As blue leaf mentioned, it will be a constant.
I still don't understand what I'm looking for. What was the purpose of taking the log of the expression? I'm guessing that constant is the base of the logarithm? I don't understand where that comes from though.
 
Remember that for any y, you can write:
## y= a^{\log_a y}##
Taking the log was just one piece of the puzzle.
 
Let ## y = x^{\log_a x}## and apply your log rules to simplify it.
 
Joseph1739 said:
I don't understand why the limit of x1/loga(x) as x approaches infinity is a, where a can be any constant for the base.

Why isn't it 1? The base (x), approaches infinity, while the exponent approaches 0 (1/infinity), so it should be (infinity)0 = 1.
The base used in a logarithm has to be positive, and not equal to 1.
##\log_a(x) = y \Leftrightarrow x = a^y##, for x > 0. (I'm talking only of the real-valued log function here.)
If a = 1, the expression ##a^y## = a for any finite value of y.

Also, ##\infty^0## is one of a number of indeterminate forms. These forms show up in limits. Since they are indeterminate, you can't say in advance what value the limit will be. Further, you can't use ##\infty## in expressions like the one you wrote.
 
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The limit can be seen with a little manipulation. Simply switch to the common logarithm.

## x^{\frac{1}{log_a(x)}} = x^{\frac{1}{\frac{Ln(x)}{Ln(a)}}} = x^{\frac{Ln(a)}{Ln(x)}} = \Big ( x^{\frac{1}{Ln(x)}} \Big) ^{Ln(a)}##
The term in parenthesis should look familiar. From there it is straightforward.
 
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The original question mentions "(infinity)0 = 1".

But we don't know what ∞0 is. That is why we have to carefully take the limit.

When the expression that is going to a limit involves a variable in both the base and exponent, it's often helpful to take the logarithm. So if we set

S(x) = x1/loga(x)

then we get

ln S(x) = ln(x) / loga(x) = ln(x) / (ln(x) / ln(a)) = ln(a).​

Looks as though we don't have to do much more work.
 

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