What is the limit of \( x^x \) as \( x \) approaches 0?

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The discussion centers around the limit of \( x^x \) as \( x \) approaches 0, exploring various methods to evaluate this limit, including the use of logarithms and L'Hospital's Rule. Participants engage in mathematical reasoning and share different approaches to the problem.

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  • Some participants suggest using L'Hospital's Rule to evaluate the limit, starting from the expression \( \ln(y) = x \ln(x) \).
  • One participant proposes rewriting the limit to make L'Hospital's Rule more apparent, specifically as \( \lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\ln(x)}{x^{-1}} \).
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about how to arrive at the conclusion that the limit is 1, given the derivatives involved in L'Hospital's Rule.
  • Several participants agree on the transformation \( x^x = e^{x \ln(x)} \) and note that evaluating \( \lim_{{x}\to{0}} x \ln(x) \) leads to 0, thus suggesting \( e^0 = 1 \).
  • One participant simplifies the expression \( \frac{1/x}{1/x^2} \) to \( -x \) and connects this to the limit of \( y \) as \( e^{-x} \) when \( x \to 0 \), concluding \( y = 1 \).
  • There is a playful exchange about the methods used, with participants acknowledging each other's contributions and methods without reaching a definitive consensus on the best approach.

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Participants generally agree on the limit being 1, but there are multiple methods discussed, and some uncertainty remains regarding the steps involved in applying L'Hospital's Rule and the reasoning behind the transformations used.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the application of L'Hospital's Rule and the simplifications made, indicating potential gaps in understanding or assumptions that are not fully articulated.

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$\displaystyle \lim_{{x}\to{0}}x^x$

Well this has been posted before, and there seems to be several ways to do it. Assume also, if one is familiar with some of theories it can be solved just by observation. The answer is $1$ but I would of guessed "does not exist"

However since $0^0$ is indeterminate then use L’Hospital’s Rule:

So we could go from $y=x^x$ or $\ln\left({y}\right)=x\ln\left({x}\right)$

Not sure which way to go with this, and since it is a common SAT problem it would be nice to see how it solve with just a few steps. Thanks ahead...
 
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Hi karush, (Wave)

The best way is to take the logarithm of both sides, as you have said:

$\ln\left({y}\right)=x\ln\left({x}\right)$

What do you get when you take the $\lim_{{x}\to{0}}$ on both sides?

I should add that we could rewrite the RH side so L'hopital's is apparent:
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\ln\left({x}\right)}{x^{-1}}$$
 
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Rido12 said:
I should add that we could rewrite the RH side as that we can use l'hospital's:
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\ln\left({x}\right)}{x^{-1}}$$

Ok if l'hospital's Rule is $\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}$

and $\d{}{x}\ln\left({x}\right)=x^{-1}$ and $\d{}{x}{x}^{-1}=-x^{-2}$

I don't see how we could get and answer of $1$ from this
 
That's right. Now put your answers together:

$$\lim_{{x}\to0{}}\ln\left({y}\right)=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\ln\left({x}\right)}{x^{-1}}$$

$$\lim_{{x}\to0{}}\ln\left({y}\right)=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{(1/x)}{-(1/x^2)}$$

What do you get when you simplify? :D
 
$x^x=e^{x*ln(x)}$

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} e^{x*ln(x)}$

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} x*ln(x) =0$ I am sure you know how to do this

$e^0=1$
 
ineedhelpnow said:
$x^x=e^{x*ln(x)}$

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} e^{x*ln(x)}$

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} x*ln(x) =0$ I am sure you know how to do this

$e^0=1$

You spoiled my fun (Tmi)

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} x*ln(x) =0$ => requires L'hopital's rule, which is what the OP is working on now.

P.S you went from ineedhelpnow to igivehelpnow. Name change suggested. ;)
 
well just simplifying the $$\frac{1/x}{1/x^2}=-x$$

not sure about this next step but if $$\ln\left({y}\right)=-x$$

then $y=e^{-x}$ and when $x\to0$ then $y=1$

I saw the other posts but is this :)
 
i don't want to spoil your fun. tell him if he did it right Rido.

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>_< and i have gave help before
 
ineedhelpnow said:
i don't want to spoil your fun. tell him if he did it right Rido.

Yes Ma'am (Nod)

(Turns towards Karush)

That is correct! (Muscle)

Here's how I would do it:
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}y=\displaystyle \lim_{{x}\to{0}}x^x$$
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\ln\left({y}\right)=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\ln\left({x}\right)}{x^{-1}}$$
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\ln\left({y}\right)=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{(1/x)}{-(1/x^2)}$$
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\ln\left({y}\right)=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}-x=0$$
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}y=e^0=1$$

You can also do it ineedhelpnow's way, in which we rewrite the limit:

$$\displaystyle \lim_{{x}\to{0}}x^x=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}e^{\ln\left({x^x}\right)}=\lim_{{x}\to{0}}e^{x\ln\left({x}\right)}=e^{\lim_{{x}\to{0}}x\ln\left({x}\right)}$$

ineedhelpnow, I'm just teasing (Sadface)
(Wait)(Devil)
 
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wow, that was help with some fireworks

Not sure tho who won the quick and dirty method..:cool:
 
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dont tell him but i did (Smirk)
 

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