What is the Max Wavelength of CMB Radiation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the maximum wavelength of Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation, specifically addressing a discrepancy between textbook information and calculations performed by participants. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical relationships related to temperature and wavelength.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a textbook stating that the maximum intensity of CMB radiation occurs at a wavelength of 1.1 cm for a temperature of 2.7K, expressing confusion over this value.
  • Another participant proposes a calculation using the energy-temperature relationship and finds the maximum wavelength to be approximately 5.27 mm, suggesting the textbook is incorrect.
  • A third participant introduces Wien's displacement law, stating that it provides a maximum wavelength of approximately 1 mm when the factor of 5 is included, thereby contesting the previous claims.
  • A fourth participant acknowledges that their calculation was rough but agrees that Wien's law is the appropriate method for determining the exact wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct maximum wavelength of CMB radiation, with multiple competing views presented. There is no consensus on which value is accurate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different methods for calculating maximum wavelength, highlighting potential limitations in the assumptions made and the definitions used in their calculations.

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I'm doing OCR A-Level Physics, and in my textbook it states "They (Penzias and Wilson) made a calculation to find the temperature of the source of the radio waves, which had a maximum intensity at wavelength 1.1 cm, and found it to be 2.7K".

This was all good and well, until I answered a question in the book which asked me to find the max wavelength of a body with temperature 2.7K using given data for other temperatures, and it came out as roughly 1mm not 1cm. The book has no answer to the question, so now I'm confused as to what the actual value is for the wavelength of the CMB radiation at it's maximum intensity.

I double checked my workings over and over, and I'm sure I've done it correctly. Either the data they gave in the question is wrong, or their original statement of the wavelength is wrong...
 
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If we use the rough energy/temperature relationship:

E \approx k_B T

And we know the energy of a photon is related to wavelength as so:

E=\frac{h c} {\lambda}

Then combining these two formula we get:

\lambda \approx \frac{h c} {k_B T}

Plugging in for T=2.7K

That gives us \lambda \approx 5.27 \times 10^{-3} meters.

Which is is millimeters and not centimeters.

So it looks like your notes were incorrect and your working out was right :-)

Hope this helps.
 
I purposely indicated that mine was a rough calculation only.

I agree that for the exact wavelength then Wien's law is the correct one to use.
 
Ahh okay thanks a lot guys! :D
 

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