What is the meaning of En^+ or En^-

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The discussion revolves around the notation En^+ and En^- in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the meaning of the superscripts in relation to energy measurements and unitary operators. Participants explore theoretical implications and applications without reaching a consensus.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of the superscripts + and - in the notation En^+ and En^-, suggesting they might represent energies of propagating waves in different directions.
  • Another participant provides context from an exercise involving unitary operators, indicating that the + might refer to the Hermitian conjugate in certain mathematical contexts.
  • A later reply expresses uncertainty about whether the + is indeed a dagger, noting that it appears as a + in some instances, while also referencing a specific exercise related to energy measurements.
  • Further elaboration includes a formula involving probabilities of energy measurements, indicating a distinction between states represented by the superscripts.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the meaning of the superscripts. While some propose that the + refers to the Hermitian conjugate, others maintain that it is not a dagger and express confusion about its interpretation.

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The discussion highlights the ambiguity in notation and the dependence on context, particularly in quantum mechanics, where terms can have multiple interpretations based on the specific mathematical framework being used.

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I see in a lot of places things like

En+

where E stands for the energy, but I don't get what that upperscript + could be. I see both + and - in the upperscript.

Thanks
 
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Without the proper context... Maybe they are energies of propagating waves in positive and negative direction (different waveguided modes)?
 
Bob_for_short said:
Without the proper context... Maybe they are energies of propagating waves in positive and negative direction (different waveguided modes)?

The exercise is the following(note that I am not asking for a solution to the exercise, I just want to know what the + stands for!):

"An operator U is said to be unitary if U^+ U = U^- U = 1. Prove that if H is hermitian, then exp(iH) is unitary"

(Can't find at the moment something involving the En^+..that's because I saw it as a resolution to an exercise, not in the problem itself.
 
The + (usually dagger) in that context is the Hermitian conjugate, which, for a matrix, is the complex conjugate of the transpose of a matrix. A matrix is Hermitian if [tex]H = H^\dagger[/tex] and unitary if [tex]U^{-1} = U^\dagger[/tex].
 
kanato said:
The + (usually dagger) in that context is the Hermitian conjugate, which, for a matrix, is the complex conjugate of the transpose of a matrix. A matrix is Hermitian if [tex]H = H^\dagger[/tex] and unitary if [tex]U^{-1} = U^\dagger[/tex].

I had thought of that, but I can swear it is not a dagger, it is a +!. Although looking in the resolution of the exercise I'd say that in that case it is indeed a dagger. I'll give you another one:

"Calculate the probability that an energy measurement yields the ground state energy; the energy of the first excited state"

The resolution then starts with:

Minimum energy -> n = 1

P(n=1) = P1 = |A1|
P1+=|A1+|2, P1-=|A1-|2

[tex]\Psi[/tex](x,t) = [tex]\sum[/tex]An+Un+(x)Exp(-i/h * En+t) + [tex]\sum[/tex]An-Un-(x)Exp(-i/h * En-t)

Un+=[tex]\sqrt{2/a}[/tex] Cos(2n-1)PI x / a), Un-=[tex]\sqrt{2/a}[/tex] Cos(2n)PI x / a)
 
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