What is the meaning of | in probability theory?

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The discussion centers around the notation ":|:" in probability theory, specifically its meaning and how it compares to the more commonly used "|" symbol. Participants explore the implications of these notations in defining sets and probabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the meaning of ":|:" and how it should be interpreted in set notation.
  • One participant suggests that ":|:" indicates a condition, similar to the "|" symbol, which is more commonly used.
  • Another participant proposes that ":|:" might have the same meaning as "|" and expresses uncertainty about its usage.
  • A later reply elaborates on the "|" symbol in probability theory, noting that it is often interpreted as "given" and has implications for the space of possible outcomes when calculating probabilities.
  • This participant emphasizes that the meaning of probabilities involving "|" is more complex than simply denoting the probability of a set or event.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the meaning of ":|:". There are multiple interpretations and uncertainties regarding its use compared to the "|" symbol.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the notation and its context in probability theory remain unexamined, and the discussion does not resolve the differences in understanding between ":|:" and "|".

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What is the meaning of :|: ?

So how would one read the following for example...

set X = { u "member of" set A :|: u has property P}
 
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:|: seems to mean that the expression to the right is a condition. I have not seen that form - usually it is just | alone.
 
Square1 said:
What is the meaning of :|: ?

So how would one read the following for example...

set X = { u "member of" set A :|: u has property P}

Have never seen that notation before. Assuming it has the same meaning as the more usual


set X = { u "member of" set A | u has property P}

I would pronounce that "such that."
 
In probability theory, the "|" has a special meaning, not completely captured by the condition "such that". It's usually spoken as "given".

Probabilities are assigned to subsets of some space of possible outcomes. If A and B are sets in such a space then [itex]A \cap B[/itex] and [itex]A | B[/itex] both refer to the set of elements in [itex]A \cap B[/itex], but the probability [itex]P(A | B)[/itex] tells us that probability is to be computed as if the elements of the "space of possible outcomes" are only those elements which are in B while [itex]P(A \cup B)[/itex] tells us that the "space of possible outcomes" is the original space of possible outcomes.

Hence the meaning of the notation P(X) is not as simple as "P(X) means the probability of the set (or event) X". When the "|" sign is used, the P(.) notation also tells something about what is to be considered the space of possible outcomes.
 

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