What is the medium size of a Hydrochloric acid molecule?

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The discussion centers around the size of hydrochloric acid molecules, particularly in the context of gas mask filters that are designed to prevent the passage of hydrochloric acid gas. Participants explore the nature of molecular size, the functioning of filters, and the distinction between hydrogen chloride and hydrochloric acid.

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Main Points Raised

  • JorgeM questions the medium size of hydrochloric acid molecules and seeks information on how filters in gas masks work regarding molecular size.
  • One participant clarifies that filters do not operate by size exclusion for molecules but rather through absorption, and emphasizes that molecular size is not well-defined due to the nature of electron clouds.
  • Another participant explains that gas mask filters typically use zeolites and activated carbon, and that the "little holes" in filters are meant for larger particulates rather than molecules.
  • It is noted that at the molecular scale, the concept of physical size is not discrete, as electron distributions do not have clear boundaries.
  • Some researchers may refer to van der Waals volume to describe molecular sizes, but this is acknowledged to be an imperfect measure.
  • There is a mention of the common confusion between hydrogen chloride and hydrochloric acid, highlighting their differences despite their strong relation.
  • A participant agrees that molecular size is not perfectly defined in any sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and measurement of molecular size, with no consensus on a specific size for hydrochloric acid molecules. The discussion includes both technical explanations and clarifications about the functioning of gas mask filters.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in defining molecular size due to the nature of electron clouds and the varying interpretations of molecular measurements. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the distinction between hydrogen chloride and hydrochloric acid.

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I was just thinking on the fact that there are some comercial gas masks . These ones have a filter, that doesn´´´'t let the Hydrochloric acid gas molecules to go into the mask. This is the way it basically works, isn't it? So this filther has some little holes that are smaller than these molecules.
But I do not really know what is this medium size in fact. I have been looking for some information but I have't found that yet. Do you know where Can I find this information?
I have tried to look up this on the web but there is a lot of other physical info, that doesn't answer my question.
Or if you know in which parameter Do I have to look up the answer.
I would be grateful if you let me know.
Thanks a lot for your time

JorgeM
 
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It is not like these filters work, they do absorb the HCl, but not by filtering due to size. That works for much larger things only.

Molecule size is not something that is well defined, molecules don't end abruptly like a macroscopic object (say: a pencil) does, it is more like their electron cloud gets less and less dense and at some arbitrary point we say "it already ended". That means you will not find an exact answer.

Wikipedia gives the bond length between H and Cl. Molecule will be less than twice longer.

And don't get me started on the differences between hydrogen chloride and hydrochloric acid, these are often mixed up. Yes, they are strongly related, no, they are in too many ways different to treat them as the same thing.
 
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Most of the filters used in gas masks are zeolites and activated carbon. The working principle is that the substance coming into the filter is either absorbed, adsorbed, or reacted. The "little holes" you are talking about are for little particulates that are physically large enough that they can be filtered.

But molecules are not particulates, and they are definitely physically smaller than few nanometers, if not, even smaller. At such scales, "physical size", as Borek mentioned, is not quite discrete. Electrons that are moving around the atomic nuclei will have a probability density (distribution of the likelihood that the electrons will be at certain position around the nuclei) and they extend outward. Imagine an bell curve (Gaussian distribution):
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Where does the curve start and where does it it? It's hard to say, isn't it? The curve is zero only at minus infinity or positive infinity. Basically, electrons also behave similar to this. It has a distribution without clear boundary of where it ends.

Most researchers, when really necessary, may use the van der Waals volume to refer to molecular sizes. They are definitely far from perfect in predicting behavior attributed to their molecular sizes (since it's not just about the size but also about interactions).
 
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Yes, Molecular size is not mentioned perfectly on any sources,
 
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