What is the Minimum of f(x) Without Using Calculus?

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The discussion revolves around finding the minimum of the function \( f(x)=(x^2-6)(x^2-8)(x^2-10)(x^2-12)+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12) \) without using calculus. Participants explore various methods and approaches to deduce the minimum value, focusing on algebraic manipulation and substitutions.

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  • Some participants suggest that the minimum can be found by substituting \( y^2-5 = 0 \) directly into the function, potentially simplifying the calculations.
  • Others present a detailed algebraic expansion of the function, expressing it in terms of \( y \) and showing the steps leading to a form that highlights the minimum.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the substitution process and expresses intent to correct their approach based on feedback from others.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to find the minimum, as multiple approaches are discussed and some express confusion or misunderstanding about the process.

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Some participants mention inefficiencies in their methods, indicating that there may be simpler ways to approach the problem that were not initially considered.

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Without using the calculus, determine the minimum of $f(x)=(x^2-6)(x^2-8)(x^2-10)(x^2-12)+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12)$.
 
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anemone said:
Without using the calculus, determine the minimum of $f(x)=(x^2-6)(x^2-8)(x^2-10)(x^2-12)+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12)$.
given expression = $(x^2-6)(x^2-12)(x^2-8)(x^2-10) + 6\cdot 8 \cdot 10\cdot 12 $
=$(x^4-18x^2 + 72)(x^4-18x^2 + 80) +6\cdot 8 \cdot 10\cdot 12 $
=$((x^2-9)^2 - 9) ((x^2-9)^2 - 1) +6\cdot 8 \cdot 10\cdot 12 $
the 2nd term is constant and the 1st term is product of 2 terms

for $(x^2-9)$ less than 1 or greater than 9 both terms are positive
for it between 1 and 9 one term is positive and another is -ve and is lowest when $x^2-9$ in the middle that is 5 and lowest value becomes 5744
 
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Thanks for participating in this challenge, kaliprasad!

My solution, which the method used is more or less the same as yours:

Let $y=x^2-9$, the original equation becomes

$\begin{align*}f(y)&=(y+3)(y+1)(y-1)(y-3)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-9)(y^2-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=y^4-10y^2+9+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-5)^2+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12-16)\end{align*}$

Now, there are two ways to find the minimum of $f(x)$:

1. We can actually conclude, at this point the the minimum of $f(x)=6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12-16=5744$.

2. We can conclude first up to this point that the minimum of $f(y)$ occurs at $y^2=5,\,\rightarrow y=\pm \sqrt{5}$ and substituting this back to $f(x)$ to get the minimum of the function of $f(x)$, we get

$\begin{align*}f(x)_{\text{minimum}}&=(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+6)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+8)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+10)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+12)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(\pm\sqrt{5}-3)(\pm\sqrt{5}+3)(\pm\sqrt{5}-1)(\pm\sqrt{5}+1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(5-9)(5-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=-16+5760\\&=5744\end{align*}$
 
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anemone said:
Thanks for participating in this challenge, kaliprasad!

My solution, which the method used is more or less the same as yours:

Let $y=x^2-9$, the original equation becomes

$\begin{align*}f(y)&=(y+3)(y+1)(y-1)(y-3)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-9)(y^2-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=y^4-10y^2+10+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-5)^2+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12-25)\end{align*}$

We can conclude first up to this point that the minimum of $f(y)$ occurs at $y^2=5,\,\rightarrow y=\pm \sqrt{5}$ and substituting this back to $f(x)$ to get the minimum of the function of $f(x)$, we get

$\begin{align*}f(x)_{\text{minimum}}&=(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+6)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+8)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+10)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+12)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(\pm\sqrt{5}-3)(\pm\sqrt{5}+3)(\pm\sqrt{5}-1)(\pm\sqrt{5}+1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(5-9)(5-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=-16+5760\\&=5744\end{align*}$

so much calculation is not required as putting $y^2-5 = 0 $ we get the result directly
 
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kaliprasad said:
so much calculation is not required as putting $y^2-5 = 0 $ we get the result directly.

Yes, that was inefficient of me not to observe more because if I did, I would save some extra tedious work to figure out the minimum of $f$, and I could really just deduce it, just like you did. (Nerd)
 
anemone said:
Thanks for participating in this challenge, kaliprasad!

My solution, which the method used is more or less the same as yours:

Let $y=x^2-9$, the original equation becomes

$\begin{align*}f(y)&=(y+3)(y+1)(y-1)(y-3)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-9)(y^2-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=y^4-10y^2+10+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-5)^2+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12-25)\end{align*}$

We can conclude first up to this point that the minimum of $f(y)$ occurs at $y^2=5,\,\rightarrow y=\pm \sqrt{5}$ and substituting this back to $f(x)$ to get the minimum of the function of $f(x)$, we get

$\begin{align*}f(x)_{\text{minimum}}&=(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+6)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+8)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+10)(\pm\sqrt{5}-9+12)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(\pm\sqrt{5}-3)(\pm\sqrt{5}+3)(\pm\sqrt{5}-1)(\pm\sqrt{5}+1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(5-9)(5-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=-16+5760\\&=5744\end{align*}$

the f(y) should be

$\begin{align*}f(y)&=(y+3)(y+1)(y-1)(y-3)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-9)(y^2-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=y^4-10y^2+9+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-5)^2+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12-16)\end{align*}$
 
kaliprasad said:
the f(y) should be

$\begin{align*}f(y)&=(y+3)(y+1)(y-1)(y-3)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-9)(y^2-1)+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=y^4-10y^2+9+6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12\\&=(y^2-5)^2+(6\cdot 8\cdot 10\cdot 12-16)\end{align*}$

Oh My...it seems I misunderstood of what you told me (implicitly) yesterday and that my typo led me to think I have to substitute the $y$ value back to get the minimum of $f(x)$...

I will fix the error now, thanks for your patient to make me realized what did I miss in this case.:o
 

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