What Is the Minimum Upper Bound of P(X>=5) Given -10<=X<=10 and E(X)=2?

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum upper bound of the probability P(X>=5) for a random variable X constrained by -10<=X<=10 and an expected value E(X)=2. Participants explore the implications of these constraints on the probability in question.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Some participants discuss the application of Markov's inequality to estimate P(X>=5) and question the validity of the derived upper bound of 2/5. Others suggest considering distributions with limited values and adjusting weights to explore the bounds further.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the constraints and the application of inequalities being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the necessity of mapping X to a non-negative random variable to effectively use Markov's inequality, while others are questioning the assumptions underlying the bounds.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the bounds imposed by the range of X and the expected value, leading to discussions about the implications of these constraints on the probability calculations. There is also mention of the need to create a new random variable to facilitate the application of certain inequalities.

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the random value X has the inequality , -10<=X<=10 and E(X)=2, what is the minimum upper bound
of the probability P(X>=5) ?


my first thought was to find this P(X>=t)<=E(X)/t which is 2/5 from Markov but its not correct, any ideas?
 
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My very crude idea is to set all the weights to zero and then choose two weights only to adjust. I won't say more.
 
weights? what do you mean?
 
ParisSpart said:
the random value X has the inequality , -10<=X<=10 and E(X)=2, what is the minimum upper bound
of the probability P(X>=5) ?


my first thought was to find this P(X>=t)<=E(X)/t which is 2/5 from Markov but its not correct, any ideas?

Why do you say 2/5 is wrong? It is not wrong, because for any number p (0 ≤ p ≤ 2/5) we can find a random variable X that satisfies the conditions and gives P(X ≥ 5) = p. So, no number less than 2/5 can possibly be an UPPER bound, because if we take a number p with p < 2/5 we can always find a suitable X having P(X ≥ 5) > p (but ≤ 2/5); in fact, we can find infinitely many suitable X having P(X ≥ 5) = 2/5 exactly. On the other hand, 2/5 is certainly an upper bound, because no suitable X can have a probability P(X ≥ 5) that exceeds 2/5---that's what Markov's inequality is all about.

I will leave it to you to verify the statements I have made; you do need to verify them, since otherwise your "solution" would be that 'somebody said so', and that is not a proof.
 
yea but why X is -10<X<10 ? this made me to think that i must find other bounds upper...
 
Consider distributions which can take two values only.
This is the same as "the weight is non-zero for two values only", verty's idea.
 
ParisSpart said:
yea but why X is -10<X<10 ? this made me to think that i must find other bounds upper...

Which post are your responding to? Use the proper 'reply' buttons; otherwise, it is impossible to tell what part of the thread your post addresses.
 
Ray Vickson said:
On the other hand, 2/5 is certainly an upper bound, because no suitable X can have a probability P(X ≥ 5) that exceeds 2/5---that's what Markov's inequality is all about.
Isn't that predicated on X>=0?
 
haruspex said:
Isn't that predicated on X>=0?

Yes, sorry. Disregard my silly posting; I've been dizzy and feverish for most of today and I should have stayed in bed.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
I've been dizzy and feverish for most of today and I should have stayed in bed.
Sorry to hear that - hope you feel better soon.

ParisSpart, in order to make use of the Markov inequality you will need to map X to a random variable which is always >= 0.
 
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haruspex said:
Sorry to hear that - hope you feel better soon.

ParisSpart, in order to make use of the Markov inequality you will need to map X to a random variable which is always >= 0.

Better now.
 
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how i will find X>=0 , i can find that abs(X)=<10 what i can take from this?
 
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ParisSpart said:
how i will find X>=0 , i can find that abs(X)=<10 what i can take from this?

No, X can be < 0, so I'm suggesting creating a new random variable Y as a function of X (the simpler the better) which satisfies Y >= 0. P[X>=5] will equal P[Y>=c] for some c. You can apply LMVT to Y.
 
  • #14
What do you mean with LMVT?
 
  • #15
ParisSpart said:
What do you mean with LMVT?
Sorry, mixing up threads. I meant Markov's inequality.
 

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