What is the non-lattice definition of non-lattice?

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The discussion centers around the definition of "non-lattice" in the context of random variables, particularly in relation to mathematical and statistical frameworks. Participants explore the implications of non-lattice definitions in various applications, including game theory and random variable classifications.

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  • Some participants define a lattice as a discrete subspace in R^n, where non-lattice points cannot be formed from basis vectors using integer coefficients, indicating that non-lattice points may include irrational coordinates.
  • Others question whether "nonlattice random variables" simply refer to continuous random variables or those that attain limiting values, noting that the terminology may differ across papers.
  • One participant mentions that a lattice random variable consists of values that are integer multiples of a specific number, distinguishing it from discrete random variables.
  • There is a suggestion that a discrete random variable can still be non-lattice if it takes values from a countable set, though this is presented as a rhetorical question.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the precise meaning of "nonlattice" in the context of random variables, indicating a lack of consensus on its implications.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of "non-lattice" as it applies to random variables, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining present throughout the discussion.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of lattice and non-lattice, as well as the varying contexts in which these terms are used across different papers and fields.

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definition of "non-lattice"

In section 3 of this paper (bottom of 4th page):

http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/breiman/breiman.pdf

Breiman said:
THEOREM 1. If the random variables W*1, W*2, ... are nonlattice, then for any strategy ...

What does nonlattice mean? Thank you.
 
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techmologist said:
What does nonlattice mean? Thank you.

A lattice can be represented by a discrete subspace which spans the vector space [tex]R^n[/tex]. Any point which cannot be generated from the basis vectors by a linear combination with integer coefficients is a non-lattice point (a point with at least one irrational coordinate).
 


SW VandeCarr said:
A lattice can be represented by a discrete subspace which spans the vector space [tex]R^n[/tex]. Any point which cannot be generated from the basis vectors by a linear combination with integer coefficients is a non-lattice point (a point with at least one irrational coordinate).


Yeah, that's the only mathematical notion of lattice I am familiar with. Like in crystal structures. But I wasn't sure what it meant in this context: "nonlattice random variables". Is it just a fancy way of saying that the random variables are continuous--or that they attain their limiting values or something like that?
 


techmologist said:
Yeah, that's the only mathematical notion of lattice I am familiar with. Like in crystal structures. But I wasn't sure what it meant in this context: "nonlattice random variables". Is it just a fancy way of saying that the random variables are continuous--or that they attain their limiting values or something like that?

I don't know. I've seen several papers that use this terminology instead of "continuous". Here's one:

http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/pramprapa/4120.htm

It must have something to do with the modeling of games in terms of "equilibrium sets".
 


A "lattice" random variable has all values integer multiples of some one number. This is not the same as "discrete" random variable. For example, if [itex]X[/itex] has only the values 1 and [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is would be discrete but not lattice.
 


g_edgar said:
A "lattice" random variable has all values integer multiples of some one number. This is not the same as "discrete" random variable. For example, if [itex]X[/itex] has only the values 1 and [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is would be discrete but not lattice.

OK. So a discrete RV can be non-lattice provided it ranges over a countable set? (It's a rhetorical question. No need to respond unless you disagree.) Thanks.
 
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g_edgar said:
A "lattice" random variable has all values integer multiples of some one number. This is not the same as "discrete" random variable. For example, if [itex]X[/itex] has only the values 1 and [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is would be discrete but not lattice.

Thank you for that definition :).

SW Vandecarr said:
I don't know. I've seen several papers that use this terminology instead of "continuous". Here's one:

http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/pramprapa/4120.htm

It must have something to do with the modeling of games in terms of "equilibrium sets".

Thanks for the link.
 

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