What is the optimal profile for a self reversing screw?

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The discussion revolves around the design of a self-reversing screw, specifically focusing on the optimal profile shape—rectangle versus trapezoid. Participants explore the implications of different geometries on performance, wear, and kinematics, with references to practical applications and existing designs.

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  • One participant is designing a self-reversing screw and is uncertain whether to use a rectangular or trapezoidal profile, noting a discrepancy between personal observations and a video tutorial.
  • Another participant discusses the kinematics of rolling contact, emphasizing the importance of the follower's radius varying to avoid slipping, which can lead to wear.
  • A later reply confirms the initial participant's confusion regarding the rectangular screw design, suggesting that further investigation clarified some aspects.
  • One participant shares that a similar screw design they encountered used a trapezoidal section with a 60-degree angle, which has been in use for 15 years, implying that wear may not be a significant issue in that case.

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Participants express differing opinions on the optimal profile for the screw, with some advocating for trapezoidal designs based on logic and experience, while others reference rectangular designs they have observed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which profile is definitively superior.

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Participants mention practical experiences and existing designs, but there are unresolved questions about the relationship between screw dimensions and performance, as well as the implications of wear over time.

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Individuals interested in mechanical design, particularly those focused on screw mechanisms, kinematics, and wear analysis in engineering applications.

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Hello everyone,

I am trying to design a self reversing screw. What I am doing is, I am sketching a rectangle and using extruded cut option in Solidworks, cut it along a helical curve. One more and this time in the opposite direction. It comes out nicely. Now what I don't know is, should I use a rectangle or a trapezoid for the profile? I examined a self reversing screw and I am sure it was a rectangle. Though I've found a video on youtube and the guy there uses a trapezoid. Does anyone know this? Trapezoidal thread seems more logical but then I wonder why the one I've seen is rectangle. I'd like to get as much information as possible about self reversing screws, especially the relationships between the screw dimensions and the small part that is going around (sorry I don't know its name). Google doesn't help much. Here is the video:



(Skip to sixth minute)

Thank you.
 
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The answer to your question is in the kinematics of the rolling contact. Tangential speed on the rolling cam varies with the radius and the cam follower contacts the wall of the groove over a range of radii. Ideally, it should roll on the groove wall without slipping, and this requires that the radius of the follower must vary as well. If a cylindrical follower is used, there must necessarily be slipping, and slipping means additional wear.
 
Dr.D said:
The answer to your question is in the kinematics of the rolling contact. Tangential speed on the rolling cam varies with the radius and the cam follower contacts the wall of the groove over a range of radii. Ideally, it should roll on the groove wall without slipping, and this requires that the radius of the follower must vary as well. If a cylindrical follower is used, there must necessarily be slipping, and slipping means additional wear.

Yeah after some more investigating I got it. It is logical but the screw I've seen confused me a bit. Thanks.
 
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Thanks Felmon. I've found that in one of the previous projects company manufactured such a screw. They told me to make one similar to that so I copied it. It was a trapezoidal section and the angle between the side lines were 60 degrees. It has been in use for 15 years so I think the wear is not a problem (or it is not by much even if it isn't the best design possible). I made the follower similar to this:

http://www.abssac.co.uk/uploads/site/products/p_ogw2f/img_selfreversing.jpg
 

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