What is the Path Difference for a Diffraction Grating?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to diffraction gratings, specifically focusing on the path difference between two points on a ray that produces a second-order image. Participants are analyzing a past exam question that involves interpreting a diagram and understanding the relationship between path difference and order of diffraction.

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  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind the path difference being four wavelengths instead of two, with some attempting to clarify the geometric setup of the problem. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the diagram and the implications of different orders of diffraction on path difference.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the path difference and its relation to the order of the image produced. There is a mix of understanding and confusion, particularly about the implications of the second-order image and how it relates to the calculations of path difference.

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Participants are working from a specific past paper question and are referencing a diagram that is not available in the thread. There is an emphasis on understanding the derivation of the formula related to diffraction and the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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I'm doing an A level past paper for physics and there's a diagram involved which I can't put on here but here is the link:

http://www.egsphysics.co.uk/files/web_pages/exams.html
It is the June 2004 paper unit 4 question 1.

The question is asking for the path difference between two points (C and E) on the same ray and I assumed it would be 2 wavelengths because this ray gives the 2nd order image but the mark scheme says it is 4 wavelengths.


Could anybody tell me why the path difference is 4 wavelengths and not 2?
 
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Its simply because the triangle is drawn from 2 slits away. So B to D is two wavelengths and then the line carries on to E which makes C to E four wavelengths. I hope that's clear.
 
The triangle's drawn two slits away from what? From the zero order?
Are they only showing us the 2nd, 3rd and 4th orders and would the path difference between the 0 and 1st orders be 1 wavelength, 0 to 2nd would be 2 wavelengts etc. or have I got that completely wrong?
 
The description above the diagram says that light wave diffracted through an angle \theta form 2nd order image. That means that the path difference between the rays is 2 wavelengths. On the diagram they illustrate this with a dotted line that forms a right angled triangle one ray as the smallest side. From trigonometry we get the formula 2\lambda = d sin (\theta). But on the diagram they extend this line to the next ray at point E so you have added on another two wavelengths. if you were to draw the right triangle from the slit below and call the new point E' then C to E' would be two wavelengths.

My descriptions aren't particularly good I apologise about that. But when I said it was drawn from two slits away I meant from the slit labelled C. Anyway its all about how the formula n\lambda = d sin (\theta) is derived.
 
Oh right I wasn't understanding all this 2nd order image stuff! So what you're saying is that since it says i forms a 2nd order image after going through that angle, the path difference between each ray shown is 2 wavelengths? Does this mean that if they said a 1st order image was produced after going through this angle the path difference between each ray would be 1 wavelength?

Thanks for the help!
 
nirvana1990 said:
Oh right I wasn't understanding all this 2nd order image stuff! So what you're saying is that since it says i forms a 2nd order image after going through that angle, the path difference between each ray shown is 2 wavelengths? Does this mean that if they said a 1st order image was produced after going through this angle the path difference between each ray would be 1 wavelength?

Thanks for the help!

Yes it does. So if that angle was for a 1st order image c to E would be 2 wavelengths and B to D would be 1 wavelength.
 
Thanks sooo much again!
 

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