What is the PDF of z where z = x-y

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The discussion revolves around determining the probability density function (PDF) of the random variable z, defined as z = x - y, where both x and y are non-negative random variables. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of this PDF, particularly focusing on the convolution of distributions and the appropriate integration bounds for the integral representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to express the PDF of z in integral form and questions the correct integration bounds, assuming x and y are independent and non-negative.
  • Another participant suggests using the standard convolution PDF and provides a formula for the integral, but does not specify the bounds clearly.
  • A later reply indicates that the integral should cover the whole real line but emphasizes that due to the non-negativity of x and y, the integration may only need to consider non-negative x.
  • One participant references a slide that proposes a specific integral form for the PDF, questioning whether the upper bound should be z or infinity.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the notation used in the posts, noting a potential mix-up between x and y, and comments on the upper limit of the integral, suggesting that while infinity is technically correct, the non-negativity of the random variables may render some parts of the integral unnecessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct integration bounds for the PDF of z. There are competing views on whether the upper bound should be z or infinity, and some confusion exists regarding the notation and definitions used in the discussion.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the independence of x and y, as well as the implications of their non-negativity on the integration bounds. The discussion also reflects uncertainty in the notation and definitions of the variables involved.

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Hello,

I 'm trying to express the PDF of z (z ≥ 0) where z = x-y (and let x,y ≥ 0)

Thank you in advance
 
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Try the above. You should Google "sum of independent random variables".

For your question you need two things, x and y independent, and let w = -y so you can use standard sum formula for x+w.
 
Thank you for your answer.

I 'm trying to express the distribution of x-y in integral form. I m not sure about the integration bounds though.

I presume that the standard convolution PDF can be used: let z= x-y, then:
fz(z) =∫ fx(x)*fy(z+x) dx, but with what integration lower and upper bounds ??

Assume that x,y ≥ 0.

Any help would be useful
 
nikozm said:
Thank you for your answer.

I 'm trying to express the distribution of x-y in integral form. I m not sure about the integration bounds though.

I presume that the standard convolution PDF can be used: let z= x-y, then:
fz(z) =∫ fx(x)*fy(z+x) dx, but with what integration lower and upper bounds ??

Assume that x,y ≥ 0.

Any help would be useful

The integral is over the whole real line. Since the random variables are assumed non-negative, the integration need only be for non-negative x.
 
I found a slide (page 20/36) in:
http://www.wiwi.uni-muenster.de/05/download/studium/advancedstatistics/ws1314/Chapter_4.pdf

According to the above, the integral goes:

fz(z)=∫fx(y+z)*fy(y) dy with lower integration bound zero and upper bound z

or the upper bound should be infinity ?

(note that z is also nonnegative)

Thank you in advance
 
I am confused about your notation. You seem to have switched x and y between the posts, so I am not sure how you are defining z.

As far as the upper limit is concerned, infinity is always correct. However because the random variables are non-negative, one of the f's may be 0 past some point, so the integral doesn't need to go any further.
 

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