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Still in the analog world, are we?Mister T said:Ask yourself what physical phenomenon is responsible for the fact that the reading on a clock changes continuously?
The discussion centers around the physical cause of time dilation, exploring its theoretical underpinnings and implications within the framework of special relativity. Participants examine the relationship between the constancy of the speed of light and the passage of time, along with various interpretations and explanations of these phenomena.
Participants express differing views on the nature of time dilation and its underlying causes. While some agree on the importance of the speed of light, others challenge the clarity of its relationship with time dilation, leading to an unresolved discussion with multiple competing perspectives.
Participants note that the discussion may be complicated by the lack of consensus on definitions and interpretations of key concepts, such as simultaneity and the implications of spacetime geometry. The conversation reflects a range of assumptions and perspectives that are not fully reconciled.
This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those seeking to understand the conceptual foundations of special relativity and the implications of time dilation.
Still in the analog world, are we?Mister T said:Ask yourself what physical phenomenon is responsible for the fact that the reading on a clock changes continuously?
If you want to know that, ask me, Sorcerer... because the answer is ~MAGIC!~Mister T said:Ask yourself what physical phenomenon is responsible for the fact that the reading on a clock changes continuously?
Jazzyrohan said:I know that things do not actually change size in their reference frames but only is observed to be doing so. I am asking if time dilation occurs due to the time taken by the light to reach us or something of that sort.
Rap said:There's no physical phenomenon, its a point-of-view phenomenon. It's like asking "when I look at circle head-on, it looks like a circle, but when I view it from an angle, it looks like an ellipse. What is the physical phenomenon which causes this?"
Different inertial frames have different "points of view", they divide spacetime up into space and time in different ways. People in different inertial systems disagree about the time between two events in the same way people viewing a circle at different angles will disagree on what it looks like. They both understand why they disagree, just as relativity explains why two inertial systems may disagree.
nitsuj said:I like the perspective it's the geometry of spacetime; however that is one step after the most favored irreducible reply, that c is invariant. Am surprised no one mentioned causality. That's a fun one to think of as being the cause of time dilation / length contraction.
For a simply put book on SR, Relativity (a brief insight) by Russell Stannard is one I like. He put's a fair amount of emphasis on measurement (in turn perspectives); which I find important when developing an understanding of the concept in general.
"Hermann Minkowski developed the concept of three-dimensional space combined with time to form a four-dimensional space-time. The importance of this concept is that... the effect of relative movement... appears in the same manner as does the effect of a rotation in three-dimensional space." -- Dr. Ron DavisGrinkle said:It sounds like you are invoking a mechanical metaphor by using the word rotation, but I can't follow what you are saying (and I am not implying that is your fault). Can you clarify?
Coordinate transformation for rotation is given by, say ##\theta## is rotaion angle,David Lewis said:appears in the same manner as does the effect of a rotation in three-dimensional space."