What is the Physical Interpretation of the Lagrangian in Quantum Field Theory?

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The discussion centers on the physical interpretation of the Lagrangian in Quantum Field Theory (QFT). Participants explore whether the Lagrangian serves merely as a mathematical tool or if it possesses a distinct physical meaning, contrasting it with the Hamiltonian's interpretation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in classical mechanics, the Lagrangian is the difference between kinetic and potential energy, suggesting a straightforward physical interpretation, while questioning the same for QFT.
  • Another participant argues that constructing a Lagrangian density in QFT requires adherence to certain requirements, implying that not all forms are acceptable.
  • There is a challenge regarding the acceptability of a specific Lagrangian density for the Dirac field, with one participant asserting that Lorentz-invariance is a necessary condition.
  • A counterpoint is raised that the Lagrangian must also be a bosonic variable, a Poincaré scalar, and typically local, indicating additional constraints beyond Lorentz-invariance.
  • One participant emphasizes that the Lagrangian should be real, suggesting that it can be corrected by adding a total derivative without altering the equations of motion.
  • Another participant reiterates that the Lagrangian is merely a tool, convenient for respecting required symmetries in QFT.
  • There is a humorous exchange about the nature of the question posed by the original poster (OP), with some participants suggesting that the OP should engage in self-learning.

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Participants express differing views on the physical interpretation of the Lagrangian in QFT, with some arguing it is just a mathematical tool while others suggest it has specific requirements and constraints. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the Lagrangian's interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various requirements for constructing a valid Lagrangian density, including realness, locality, and scalar properties, but do not resolve the implications of these conditions on the physical interpretation.

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In classical mechanics the Lagrangian is constructed as the difference between kinetic and potential energy, [tex]L=T-V,[/tex] and hence the physical interpretation is fairly straightforward when taken together with Hamiltons principle, i.e the system evolves "along the path of least resistance".

But now that I've started to study a little QFT I see that there the Lagrangian seems to be simply constructed as "the function that after applying Hamiltons principle gives the correct equation of motion". In other words, I don't see any obvious physical interpretation outside of being a lucky guess giving the correct result.

Have I missed something important here or is the Lagrangian just a mathematical tool and not something with a distinct physical interpretation like the Hamiltonian?
 
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To make an "educated guess" about a Lagrangian density in QFT you need to respect some requirements.

Though not too many books mention them specifically, i'd say that the custom used lagrangian density

[tex]\mathcal{L}=\bar{\Psi}\left(i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}-m\right)\Psi[/tex]

for the Dirac field, even though leads to correct field eqns for the Dirac spinors, is not an acceptable Lagrangian density.

I'll let you figure out why.

Daniel.
 
Not an acceptable Lagrangian? The only restrictions I've seen stated for Lagrangians in QFT is Lorentz-invariance. Is this not the case here?
 
Nope, it also has to be a bosonic variable (the Lagrangian density i wrote is) , not Lorentz but Poincare' scalar and of course real wrt involution on the algebra the fields are taking values in.
And it's usually desirable to be local, as well.

Daniel.
 
The Lagrangian should be real, which the above Lagrangian is not. This can be fixed by ading a total derivative, which does not change the equations of motion.

Is there a price for a correct answer? :-)
 
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octol said:
Have I missed something important here or is the Lagrangian just a mathematical tool and not something with a distinct physical interpretation like the Hamiltonian?
This is just a tool. This tool is convenient because it is the simplest way to respect all the required symmetries.
 
Demystifier said:
The Lagrangian should be real, which the above Lagrangian is not. This can be fixed by ading a total derivative, which does not change the equations of motion.

Is there a price for a correct answer? :-)

Funny, but i guess the question was for the OP. I assume that this thread is meant for him to learn something [by himself].

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Funny, but i guess the question was for the OP. I assume that this thread is meant for him to learn something [by himself].
OK, I gave the hint, but at least I have not wrote the correct Lagrangian explicitly. So there is still something to learn by him. :smile:
 

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