What Is the Probability of Guessing Correctly on a Multiple Choice Test?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities in multiple choice tests and related scenarios, specifically focusing on the binomial and hypergeometric distributions. Participants explore the conditions under which these distributions apply and the implications of order in probability calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a probability calculation for guessing correctly on a multiple choice test, using the binomial distribution formula.
  • Another participant questions whether the number of ways to choose all-stars in a different scenario should be multiplied again, indicating confusion about the application of combinations.
  • A participant clarifies that $\binom{230}{2}$ represents the number of ways to choose 2 all-stars and questions the reasoning behind multiplying it twice.
  • There is a discussion about whether order matters in these probability scenarios, with one participant asserting that it does not matter in the context of the problems presented.
  • Another participant explains that the relevant definition of probability involves the ratio of desirable outcomes to total outcomes, suggesting that the formulas used are derived from this principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of combinations and the relevance of order in probability calculations. There is no consensus on whether the order matters in the specific context of the problems discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the definitions of hypergeometric and binomial distributions, indicating that the discussion is dependent on these definitions and the assumptions made about the scenarios.

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A test consists of 10 multiple choice questions with five choices for each question. As an experiment, you GUESS on each and every answer without even reading the questions.
What is the probability of getting exactly 6 questions correct on this test?

The answer is: $$\binom{10}{6} (0.2)^6 (0.8)^4$$

I see that, there $\binom{10}{6}$ ways of selecting $6$ correct questions here.

But then, take a question like:At a soccer match there are 230 all-stars and 220 half-stars. You pick five people from the crowd. What is the probability that exactly two are all-stars?

I would say:

$$P = \frac{\binom{230}{2} \cdot \binom{220}{3}}{\binom{450}{5}}$$

My question is, arent there also many ways to choose the $2$ all stars out of the $230$? So wouldn't you multiply by $\binom{230}{2}$ again?
 
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Olok said:
My question is, arent there also many ways to choose the $2$ all stars out of the $230$? So wouldn't you multiply by $\binom{230}{2}$ again?

Hi Olok,

I'm not sure I understand your question.
$\binom{230}{2}$ is the number of ways to choose the $2$ all stars out of the $230$, which is a pretty large number.
What is the reason you think we should multiply by it twice?

Btw, your second formula represents the hypergeometric distribution instead of the binomial distribution. (Nerd)
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Olok,

I'm not sure I understand your question.
$\binom{230}{2}$ is the number of ways to choose the $2$ all stars out of the $230$, which is a pretty large number.
What is the reason you think we should multiply by it twice?

Btw, your second formula represents the hypergeometric distribution instead of the binomial distribution. (Nerd)
No, because in the first one, we multiply by $\binom{n}{k}$ because the order matters, doesn't the order also matter in the second one?

I think I am messing this all up.

Are you using these definitions to solve probability like this? Like the definition of hypergeometric distribution, binomial distribution? Is it by definition that we use that?
 
Olok said:
No, because in the first one, we multiply by $\binom{n}{k}$ because the order matters, doesn't the order also matter in the second one?

I think I am messing this all up.

Whether order matters or not can be a bit confusing.
Actually, in both of these cases, we say that order does not matter.

For instance in the first case, it doesn't matter which of the questions are right, only how many of them.
Now suppose we want to know the probability that exactly the first 6 questions are right and the last 4 questions are wrong.
Then the order does matter and the probability is $0.2^6 \cdot 0.8^4$.
But since the order does not matter, the probability goes up by $\binom{10}{6}$, since that is the number of different configurations to have 6 questions right.
Are you using these definitions to solve probability like this? Like the definition of hypergeometric distribution, binomial distribution? Is it by definition that we use that?

The relevant definition, if we want to call it that, is that
$$P(\text{Desirable outcome}) = \frac{\text{Number of desirable outcomes}}{\text{Total number of outcomes}}$$
(Fine print: that is under the assumption that all outcomes are equally likely.)

The formulas are derived from that. Once you have them, it's easiest to use them rather than derive them again.
 

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