What is the probability that a tested detail was faulty?

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem related to testing factory details for faults. Participants explore conditional probability concepts, specifically calculating the likelihood that a tested detail is faulty given that it tested as not faulty. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and expresses difficulty in understanding conditional probability.
  • Another suggests using a 2x2 grid to visualize the problem, indicating a method for organizing the probabilities.
  • A participant reiterates the problem details and provides a formula for calculating the conditional probability, specifically $\mathcal{P}(F|T^c)$.
  • One participant describes a method of using a hypothetical sample of 10,000 details to break down the probabilities and outcomes based on the given data.
  • Another participant questions the terminology used, suggesting that "item" may be more appropriate than "detail," indicating a potential translation issue.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to solving the problem, but there is no consensus on the terminology used to describe the items being tested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best term to use.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the problem statement and the terminology used, which may affect understanding. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the translation of the problem.

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Please, help me to solve the problem
Details at a factory are tested randomly to check if they are faulty. It is known from previous experience that the probability of a
faulty detail is known to be 0.03. If a faulty detail is tested the probability of it testing faulty is 0.82. If a non-faulty detail is
tested the probability of it testing faulty is 0.06. Given that the detail was tested as not been faulty, calculate the
probability that it was faulty.

I understand that it's about conditional probability, but can't get it.
Thanks!
 
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Have you considered drawing a 2x2 grid and filling in the boxes?
 
Romanka said:
Details at a factory are tested randomly to check if they are faulty. It is known from previous experience that the probability of a faulty detail is known to be 0.03. If a faulty detail is tested the probability of it testing faulty is 0.82. If a non-faulty detail is tested the probability of it testing faulty is 0.06. Given that the detail was tested as not been faulty, calculate the probability that it was faulty.
Use $F$ for faulty and $T$ for a positive test.
From the given: $\mathcal{P}(F)=0.03,~\mathcal{P}(T|F)=0.82,~\&~
\mathcal{P}(T|F^c)=0.06$

Now you want $\mathcal{P}{(F|T^c)}$$=\dfrac{\mathcal{P}(F\cap T^c)}{\mathcal{P}(T^c)}$.
 
thanks, I'll try



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Plato said:
Use $F$ for faulty and $T$ for a positive test.
From the given: $\mathcal{P}(F)=0.03,~\mathcal{P}(T|F)=0.82,~\&~
\mathcal{P}(T|F^c)=0.06$

Now you want $\mathcal{P}{(F|T^c)}$$=\dfrac{\mathcal{P}(F\cap T^c)}{\mathcal{P}(T^c)}$.

that's exactly what I need! thank you so much!
 
Here's how I like to do problems like this: Imagine there are 10000 details (chosen to avoid fractions).

"It is known from previous experience that the probability of a faulty detail is known to be 0.03."
Okay, so our 10000 sample includes (0.03)(10000)= 300 faulty details and 10000- 300= 9700 that are not faulty.

"If a faulty detail is tested the probability of it testing faulty is 0.82."
Of the 300 faulty details, (0.82)(300)= 246 will test faulty, the other 54 will test not-faulty.

"If a non-faulty detail is tested the probability of it testing faulty is 0.06."
Of the 9700 non-faulty details, (.06)(9700)= 582 will test faulty. 9700- 582= 9118 will test not-faulty.

"Given that the detail was tested as not been faulty, calculate the probability that it was faulty."
There are a total of 9118+ 54= 9172 details that test non-faulty of which 54 are faulty.
 
thanks!
 
By the way, "detail" doesn't seem like quite the word you want. "Detail" means a small part of something larger. I suspect this was translated from another language and you really wanted "item".
 
Yes, maybe. But I got the problem about "details" (Thinking)
 
Romanka said:
Yes, maybe. But I got the problem about "details" (Thinking)
YES. But what was language of the question?
Did you use a translation program to post it here?
 

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