TENYEARS said:
I have reverse definition of what you speak. When a child realizes the world as separate from himself, would that make him subjective rather than objective? Glub, glub, glub where did this bowl come from?
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Hmm, I like that, and yes, the baby does learn to become subjective in universe as we all do, but still, the baby can distinguish the 'bowl' which is an object in objective reality and not the baby's imagination. The baby may think the bowl is something that it is not, but the baby still sees the bowl none the less, as do we...i.e. we can all agree that it is the bowl we are talking about..
and the baby does have to ask, 'what's dat?' in the first place to know it is even called a bowl. He has to refer to an object outside of itself, which it cannot do until it can learn to become objective (which does lead to subjectivity, yes, naturally so, and I love that angle you put on it, perhaps a baby is being 100 percent objective at birth! however, zero percent subjective, and the baby does not know that it is objective until it can distinguish between objective and subjective...nice twist!)
There are two things in life I have found, those who agree with me now and those who agree with me later.
really? you have only found those two things and have excluded all else ;-)
I don't mean to be arrogant, I am only being truthful(I try never to say what I don't know and separate what I say I believe from what I know). The question and answer post was a direct experience of my own life, not from a book. This is why I many times do not like to post logic. It does nothing.
hehe, tell that to Nico!
It helps no one and may actually hinder individual development.
I agree with what you are saying already!
That we learn the process of logic through our trials and error and we learn that we can truly learn real knowlege. That is what is truly awsome. To experiece that which you believed you could not do and then do. To break the barriers, of you own "mind"
I agree with you again! Logic, or aristolian map making as I refer to it as, although objective to it's map, does not contain co-ordinates for all in reality, It often insists that it's map is the territory, and can often delete information or force information into a category that otherwise belongs elsewhere...OOPS!
Moonrat