What is the rate at which the CMBR is cooling?

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The discussion revolves around the cooling rate of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) and attempts to estimate its temperature at different points in the universe's history, particularly around 800 million years ago. Participants explore theoretical and mathematical aspects related to the CMBR's cooling and its relationship with the expansion of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the CMB temperature was approximately 9 K 11 billion years ago, compared to about 3 K currently, indicating a cooling of around 6-7 K over that time.
  • Another participant questions whether the cooling has occurred at a constant rate over the past 11 billion years.
  • A response suggests that while the cooling rate is not constant, a referenced paper provides an interesting method for measuring temperature.
  • A specific cooling rate formula is presented: \dot T = H_0 \cdot T = 6.27 \cdot 10^{ - 18} {\textstyle{K \over s}}.
  • One participant provides a method to estimate the CMBR temperature 800 million years ago using redshift calculations, concluding that the temperature would have been 1.061 times the current temperature.
  • Another participant raises a question about the presence of plasma emitting in the gigahertz range in the local system, suggesting it could explain the isotropic nature of the CMBR outside the standard model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the cooling rate of the CMBR has been constant, and the discussion includes multiple approaches to estimating historical temperatures, indicating that no consensus has been reached.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions regarding redshift calculations and the interpretation of cooling rates, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hello everyone,

I have a question regarding the rate of cooling for the CMBR.

I understand that the rate of cooling is directly related to the rate of expansion of the universe, but I lack the mathematical prowess necessary to make any use of this.

I am specifically trying to determine an estimate of what the temperature of the CMBR would have been around 800 million years ago.

Thanks in advance,

~PhoenixKnight
 
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Can we assume that it has been cooling at a constant rate throughout those 11 billion years?
 
PhoenixKnight said:
Can we assume that it has been cooling at a constant rate throughout those 11 billion years?

No, but that paper Cronos cited is interesting and contains an elegant way of measuring temp.
 
marcus said:
No, but that paper Cronos cited is interesting and contains an elegant way of measuring temp.

The current cooling rate is

[itex]\dot T = H_0 \cdot T = 6.27 \cdot 10^{ - 18} {\textstyle{K \over s}}[/itex]
 
PhoenixKnight said:
I am specifically trying to determine an estimate of what the temperature of the CMBR would have been around 800 million years ago.
...

Had a hard time waking up this morning. I originally wrote some nonsense, then deleted. Let's see if this is better.

You need to know the redshift corresponding to .8 billion years ago. That is a light travel time of .8 billion y.

So you google "ned light travel time"
and get the Ned Wright light travel time converter.
type in .8 in the box for LTT and press calculate
and you get z = 0.061

That means the CMB temp back then was 1.061 times what it is today.
 
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is there known to be plasma excited and emitting in the gigahertz range in the near local system? this could explain the isotropic nature of the cmbr quite nicely outside the standard model.
 

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