What is the real impact of speed on time in the theory of time dilation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theory of time dilation, specifically the impact of speed on time as perceived through various frames of reference. Participants explore the implications of time dilation in relation to atomic clocks, the concept of motion through space, and the potential effects on particle decay rates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that time dilation effects could be better described as time slowing down with increasing speed, questioning the simplicity of stating that clocks lose time.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of frames of reference, noting that time dilation is symmetric and that observers in different frames perceive time differently.
  • A participant raises the idea that the decay rate of cesium could be affected by speed, proposing that an atomic clock might run faster if it were moving slower through space.
  • There is a discussion about whether it is meaningful to ask how fast we are moving through space, with some arguing that absolute motion is not defined in relativity.
  • One participant proposes a thought experiment involving carbon dating samples at different speeds, questioning if the sample on a fast ship would date younger than one on Earth.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "moving through space," suggesting that this idea complicates the understanding of time dilation and decay rates.
  • Concerns are raised about the relativity of simultaneity when measuring time across different locations and speeds.
  • Participants discuss the implications of observing motion in space and whether any measurement can definitively indicate movement through space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of time, motion through space, and the implications of time dilation. There is no consensus on the core questions raised, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding motion through space and the implications for particle decay and time measurement. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and assumptions about the nature of time and motion in the context of relativity.

  • #31
Redneck-65 said:
(( there is no such thing as motion relative to space. )) ??

How did we fly to the moon, and all those other examples I made ??
By moving relative to the moon (and so forth with all of those other examples). There is no need to invoke the non-physical idea of motion relative to space, only the physical idea of motion relative to other objects.

Redneck-65 said:
PLEASE.. Remove my membership, and trash can this whole stupid thing !
Nobody is forcing you to read or respond. If you want to learn about actual physics then you have to recognize that every single one of us has had some misguided preconceptions that we had to discard along the way. It is just a part of learning physics, and it is pointless to get upset about it. None of your anger will change the way the universe works.
 
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  • #32
Redneck-65 said:
How did we fly to the moon
We gained some velocity relative to Earth and moon.

This "unnecessary twist", as you call it, is the basis of all modern theories in physics.
 

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