What is the real reason the US is in so much debt?

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The discussion centers around the reasons behind the significant national debt of the United States, exploring various economic, political, and social factors. Participants examine historical trends, government spending, taxation, and the impact of military expenditures, among other topics. The conversation includes theoretical and practical implications of debt in the context of economics.

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  • Some participants suggest that the deficit problem transcends political parties, indicating a systemic issue rather than one tied to specific administrations.
  • One participant presents macroeconomic equations to illustrate the relationship between savings, investment, government spending, and trade deficits, arguing that the U.S. must borrow to maintain its trade deficit.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that debt can be beneficial if it funds investments that yield long-term returns, contrasting this with current spending on entitlement programs.
  • Some argue that successful companies operate debt-free, suggesting that the government should aim for similar fiscal responsibility.
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  • Military expenditures, particularly the costs associated with prolonged wars, are cited as significant contributors to the national debt, alongside issues of corporate tax contributions.
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Participants express a range of views on the causes of the national debt, with no clear consensus emerging. While some agree on the impact of military spending and corporate tax issues, others emphasize different factors such as political accountability and the nature of government spending.

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Participants reference various economic models and theories, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of debt and the effectiveness of government spending. The discussion also touches on the complexities of fiscal responsibility and the role of individual and corporate contributions to the national debt.

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There are only four big federal spending items 1) military about 1000 billion, 2) health care about 800 billion, 3) interest about 400 billion, and 4) ag subsidies about 300 billion. If we cut all of these by 50% we would almost have a balanced budget. Social security is of course off-budget because it has its own tax base and 2.4 trillion in treasury notes.

Why? Because no one wants to cut any of these.
 
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edpell said:
Social security is of course off-budget because it has its own tax base and 2.4 trillion in treasury notes.

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  • #93
edpell said:
I have not seen it said, I may have missed it, I would say the reason we are in debt is we spend more than we make.

Why? Because it produces immediate satisfaction and the idea of future pain is an abstraction that has little influence on peoples minds/actions/reasoning. Some even expect to be dead or out of office when the pain comes and they do not care (simple selfishness).

Look up a couple of posts, and several times in this thread:

Ryumast3r said:
There are a lot of reasons, and it doesn't just come down to "hey we spent too much." I mean, of course we spent more than we're taking in... that much is obvious.
 

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